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post #1 of 14 Old 07-13-2010, 06:46 PM Thread Starter
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Bilstein shock mounts have bushings rather than required bar pins

I finally received my Bilstein 5125 series shocks from Allshocks.com. Problem is all four shocks have the generic hoop style connection top & bottom @ all for corners. No post-style connection up front for the top mount & no sleeve inserts w/ the two ears on either side for the mounting bolts on any of the other connections--merely a generic metal sleeve insert for the bushing.

I REALLY need to get a solution ASAP as I am going on a wheel'n/ camping trip the last weekend of this month--July 29th-Aug 1st--so my absolute last chance for install of my lift kit,tires, shocks, rear ds, etc. is the weekend of the 23-25th (I was planing on doing the install this weekend--16th-18th-- & using the remaining week to dial in the setup).

My options as I can conceive thus far are to:

1. Contact Allshocks.com explain the problem, hope to get a return/exchange for four TJ specific 5100's, get the 20% restocking fee waived ($63.96). But have to pay for shipment back to Allshocks.com of four 5125's & hope the 5100's aren't on nat'l backorder like these 5125's were. All the while hope for a quick ship of the 5100's while the 5125's are in transit back.

2. Keep the rear 5125's; reuse the OEM sleeve inserts w/ the ears on the side (if the bushing is the same size?). Then buy two 5100's for the front w/ the model specific connections & return the two front 5125's & take a $31.98 restock fee on the two.

3. Pay to ship the two front 5125's to Bilstein's service center in Cali to get them machined w/ post connections for the top mount (shop labor price is $65/hr--including machining & welding) & pay $35 per unit for 1-2 rush service. This allows me to keep the longer, custom travel quality of the 5125's.

I would GREATLY appreciate any advice on what to do soon, thanks!


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call them explain what happened. if theres nothing they can do about it, buy the adapters

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Buy a pair of upper shock adapters that convert the top shock mount to match your new shocks, Quadratec and 4WDrive Hardware sells them. Front Shock Adapter Brackets
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There we go, thats what I was talking about, thanks jerry!

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that kit will add an inch to your shock length. so you might bottom the shock out sooner. but it also makes your droop one inch longer.

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JKS makes adapters
JKS Manufacturing: Shock Mounting Components

Here is a guy selling a set for $20 -

TJ JKS Shock conversion NEW - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest


EDIT: in the 20 seconds i took me to find the JKS page Jerry and a bunch of others beat me
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Ok, that seems like a possible solution. My only concern about adding another 1" (approximate) is that these 5125's are already a tad on the tall side for their compressed form:

Rock Krawler front travel specs-- 16.5" Compressed to 28.5" extended
Bilstein 5125's --12" travel shocks 17.9" compressed to 29.7" extended

Might these shock adapter brackets make em' way too tall?

Thanks . . .

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Oh btw, I'm also wondering if I might contact the only two off-road shops in STL--albeit 30-45 min trips one way--to see if they could perform the minor surgery of chopping off the top bayonet/hoop style connection & fab'n on the post-style connection that Bistein in California could perform. Plausible?

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Ok, that seems like a possible solution. My only concern about adding another 1" (approximate) is that these 5125's are already a tad on the tall side for their compressed form:

Rock Krawler front travel specs-- 16.5" Compressed to 28.5" extended
Bilstein 5125's --12" travel shocks 17.9" compressed to 29.7" extended

Might these shock adapter brackets make em' way too tall?

Thanks . . .
The rears are way to long for the 3.5" lift, to begin with, 10" travel rear shocks will droop enough to drop springs on stock mounts and only end you up with about 3.5" uptravel. 14.5" compressed length is about as long as you want to go and will require close to 3" bumpstop extension. add the JKS Bar pin elimiators and you're asking for a bone jarring ride. The RK lift may have upper rear relocation brackets that require a BL, gain 1" in uptravel and elimiate the Bar Pins.

the front 16.5" compressed length Bilstien will need a minimum of 3" bumpstop extension.... add another inch to that if you use the conversion brackets Jerry posted.
15.5" collapsed is the length you should be looking for up front.


I'd scrap the bilstien 5125 idea and use OME N66L fronts, and OME N67L rears. They'll bolt on, are the correct length for the lift listed in your profile and will ride and perform great.

I want your factory 07-up take-off/thrown out JK front/rear Lower Control Arms! Bent ones are perfect also as long as the bushings and cold cut rings are in good shape/useable


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The rears are way to long for the 3.5" lift, to begin with, 10" travel rear shocks will droop enough to drop springs on stock mounts and only end you up with about 3.5" uptravel. 14.5" compressed length is about as long as you want to go and will require close to 3" bumpstop extension. add the JKS Bar pin elimiators and you're asking for a bone jarring ride. The RK lift may have upper rear relocation brackets that require a BL, gain 1" in uptravel and elimiate the Bar Pins.

the front 16.5" compressed length Bilstien will need a minimum of 3" bumpstop extension.... add another inch to that if you use the conversion brackets Jerry posted.
15.5" collapsed is the length you should be looking for up front.


I'd scrap the bilstien 5125 idea and use OME N66L fronts, and OME N67L rears. They'll bolt on, are the correct length for the lift listed in your profile and will ride and perform great.
I was thinking the same thing before I ever received the shocks from allshocks.com, sent another email to Kevin Foote @ allshocks to double check these #'s vs the TJ 4" lift specific 5100's & he swore that the 5125's matched up better. I've since had a nagging feeling in the back of my mind . . . still do.

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So here's the lowdown on how everything has turned out--return/exchange-wise. During my 10 o'clock 15min break I contacted Kevin @ Allshocks.com,--aka Turner Motorsports-- explained the situation & my desire to go w/ the 5100's @ all four corners (thanks Mudb8 for the final encouragement; reinforcing my longstanding concern). Ok, no problems, even swap. However, Allshocks was out of stock on the front 5100's--model # F4-BE5-6241-H5-- so they could only exchange the rears--model # F4-BE5-6242-H5. Unable to wait for them to get the fronts I will be fully reimbursed for the front 5125's minus a 5% restock fee.

I then called 4WD (anticipating this last night I programmed their # into my phone ). I knew they had the front 5100's in stock so I ordered a set of those. Both companies have shipped the same afternoon & should arrive in 2-3 business days.

Upon getting home from work, I went to the UPS store & paid $30 something dollars--including the insurance value--to ship the four 5125's back to Allshocks. Those will arrive on Monday & I should see the credit back to my account.

So I will not be installing everything this weekend most likely; unless the tracking # shows for a Saturday delivery. Therefore, I will cancel the stick welder I was going to rent Friday evening & try it again the following weekend. Then it will be a busy final work week before the trip to Flat Nasty dialing every thing in (bump stops, limit straps, etc.) & ordering/installing a new rear ds from Tom Woods.

Thanks all for your fast responses & input

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i need to get me some of that! HEYOOO!!

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i need to get me some of that! HEYOOO!!
that means you get to slow down even more before running over the speed bump at the grocery store....

I want your factory 07-up take-off/thrown out JK front/rear Lower Control Arms! Bent ones are perfect also as long as the bushings and cold cut rings are in good shape/useable


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