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Unread 02-10-2014, 12:32 PM   #31
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Relax. I read every word. My opinion aligns with the opinions of others in this thread. Just casting another vote.
I agree, you provided good advice.

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Unread 02-10-2014, 12:51 PM   #32
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And I bet it goes off road just fine. Add some locker and it will go about anywhere you want it to.

There are people here that think you have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars to get a jeep to be a good off roader, which just isnít the case.
There are some people here that drive through tougher s*** heading out to their favorite off road area than my Jeep is capable of. To do what they do does cost money and if you don't spend it you will be the rig broken down at the beginning of the trail.

I agree not everyone needs the ultimate rig, but we certainly cannot all drive on the same terrain with our varied setups.
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Unread 02-10-2014, 01:14 PM   #33
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There are some people here that drive through tougher s*** heading out to their favorite off road area than my Jeep is capable of. To do what they do does cost money and if you don't spend it you will be the rig broken down at the beginning of the trail.

I agree not everyone needs the ultimate rig, but we certainly cannot all drive on the same terrain with our varied setups.
With 33s you can get away without spending much if you have the Dana 44. The biggest money will be gears and maybe a locker. Get some good springs for a 2 inch lift, a one inch body lift, sock drive shaft and stock control arms,( upgrade the steering maybe) will get you anywhere a 3 inch suspension lift with 1200 dollars worth of control arms, SYE and new drive shaft. Add a winch to the first set up and you will be better off than the high dollar one.
Once you go 35s or belly up other money needs to be spent but for 33s you donít have to break the bank.

Even with 35s and high clearance fenders you wouldnít have to break the bank. Steering up grades would be a necessity maybe brakes. The longer you can go without dealing with drive line angles.
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Unread 02-10-2014, 01:37 PM   #34
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With 33s you can get away without spending much if you have the Dana 44. The biggest money will be gears and maybe a locker. Get some good springs for a 2 inch lift, a one inch body lift, sock drive shaft and stock control arms,( upgrade the steering maybe) will get you anywhere a 3 inch suspension lift with 1200 dollars worth of control arms, SYE and new drive shaft. Add a winch to the first set up and you will be better off than the high dollar one.
Once you go 35s or belly up other money needs to be spent but for 33s you donít have to break the bank.

Even with 35s and high clearance fenders you wouldnít have to break the bank. Steering up grades would be a necessity maybe brakes. The longer you can go without dealing with drive line angles.
Will it get you back too?
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Unread 02-10-2014, 01:46 PM   #35
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Will it get you back too?
Why wouldn't you. What part do you think will fail? If you are driving like a crazy person of course things will fail stock or otherwise.

What stock components do you think will fail and leave you stranded?
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Unread 02-10-2014, 02:05 PM   #36
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Why wouldn't you. What part do you think will fail? If you are driving like a crazy person of course things will fail stock or otherwise.

What stock components do you think will fail, other than the stock tie rod, that will leave you stranded?
It's all relative to where you are wheeling. I can only imagine how much of my Jeep would fail, if I tried going wheeling with guys the likes Of Mr. Blaine, Robert Yates or Wushaw. These are just the first guys to come to mind, i'm sure there are many more.

Lets say I had lockers ( I want them but I don't have them yet)
I could picture my control arms themselves being ruined, The control arm mounts being ruined. I doubt my stock axles are up to the task. I don't have Curry steering, I have ZJ stuff, I have no idea how that would fair.
Oh, my tires would pop (thats a personal mistake on my part)

I guess eventually if I continued to wheel where they wheel, I'd end up with a rig set up like theirs. I doubt they just spend money because they enjoy spending money.

In the case of this thread I agree with you guys, when you have 500 dollars to spend you can only do so much, so I like the responses and advice. I don't think a rig set up like that will have much luck out where they wheel though. I think it would be quite embarrassing actually.
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It's all relative to where you are wheeling. I can only imagine how much of my Jeep would fail, if I tried going wheeling with guys the likes Of Mr. Blaine, Robert Yates or Wushaw. These are just the first guys to come to mind, i'm sure there are many more.

Lets say I had lockers ( I want them but I don't have them yet)
I could picture my control arms themselves being ruined, The control arm mounts being ruined. I doubt my stock axles are up to the task. I don't have Curry steering, I have ZJ stuff, I have no idea how that would fair.
Oh, my tires would pop (thats a personal mistake on my part)

I guess eventually if I continued to wheel where they wheel, I'd end up with a rig set up like theirs. I doubt they just spend money because they enjoy spending money.

In the case of this thread I agree with you guys, when you have 500 dollars to spend you can only do so much, so I like the responses and advice. I don't think a rig set up like that will have much luck out where they wheel though. I think it would be quite embarrassing actually.

We are only talking suspension here, you have gone allot further. How often do stock arms and mounts break? Usually mounts only break with poorly designed (not the stock ones) control arms.

I have wheeled stock axles with ARBs all sorts of places on 33s and 35s, some rough stuff too. I have had the ZJ upgrade since probably 2002 for my steering. I have worn out a couple ends but never bent it. The guys you mention above will recognize the place in the pic below. It was done on stock D44/30 with ARBs and 4.56s. I had a friend who could go up this with ease with a stock YJ with just a spring over and crappy tires. This was about a decade back with old school Tera arms which probably perform worse than stock arms. Not the best line but I made it.

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We are only talking suspension here, you have gone allot further. How often do stock arms and mounts break? Usually mounts only break with poorly designed (not the stock ones) control arms.

I have wheeled stock axles with ARBs all sorts of places on 33s and 35s, some rough stuff too. The guys you mention above will recognize the place in the pic below. It was done on stock D44/30 with ARBs and 4.56s. I had a friend who could go up this with ease with a stock YJ with just a spring over and crappy tires. This was about a decade back with old school Tera arms which probably perform worse than stock arms. Not the best line but I made it.

One wrong slip on a rock could take out a stock control arm and the LCA mounts don't seem to like taking much of a beating. I know a small investment in some LCA skids is said to help dramatically, so maybe not a huge issue.

I don't know, I just think everything needs to work together as a system and if you leave out one piece of the puzzle you are going to be reminded of it at some point.

My Jeep is nothing to speak of that's for sure, but I have a vision of what I want it to be and it does not include stock control arms.

I guess that's why people build in stages, sometimes they find out what they have is good enough and sometimes they find out it is lacking for what they want to do.
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One wrong slip on a rock could take out a stock control arm and the LCA mounts don't seem to like taking much of a beating. I know a small investment in some LCA skids is said to help dramatically, so maybe not a huge issue.

I don't know, I just think everything needs to work together as a system and if you leave out one piece of the puzzle you are going to be reminded of it at some point.

My Jeep is nothing to speak of that's for sure, but I have a vision of what I want it to be and it does not include stock control arms.

I guess that's why people build in stages, sometimes they find out what they have is good enough and sometimes they find out it is lacking for what they want to do.
I have lower control arms skids, less than 20 bucks. They will be effective on mounts with stock arms. But you will not find many instances of stock arms failing, esp when you are dealing with places somebody on 33s will be going. You donít have to break the bank with 33s.
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I agree, you provided good advice.
Haha thanks brother.
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Easily?
Referring to suspension for the long term.
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Y'all are getting carried away.

First a foremost, you can get a setup to run 33's (good springs and shocks with a body lift). It can be done cheap. Then if is a building block for the rest. Quick disconnects which will yield more flex. Control arms that will correct axle positions, pinion angles, mad the lot. SLip yoke eliminator or roctrac TC for a tummy tuck. Locking differentials for better traction. Winch and bumper for better recovery. New axles, shafts, and gears to run 35's+. By no means do you need a huge lift t start. All this can be done with or without a lift and a smaller lift is a great place to start.
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2.25" BB spacers,shocks and a 1" BL on 33's.NOTHING else was done.BB and BL cost $350.

Exactly what I'm in the process of doing. Do it according to what fits your needs. 2.25"BB, 1"BL, 1"MML: $360
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I have lower control arms skids, less than 20 bucks. They will be effective on mounts with stock arms. But you will not find many instances of stock arms failing, esp when you are dealing with places somebody on 33s will be going. You donít have to break the bank with 33s.
Whenever I see stock arms fail, its usually someone hitting an obstacle with too much speed.

For example, attempting a steep, snowy hill climb with bald tires. After not making it a few times, you try it a little faster.
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Whenever I see stock arms fail, its usually someone hitting an obstacle with too much speed.

For example, attempting a steep, snowy hill climb with bald tires. After not making it a few times, you try it a little faster.
Driver stupidty can ruin even the best parts.
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