Back end fish tail during 4wd starts in Snow - Page 3

**Wheelin98TJ** · 11-29-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stoker

Easy and fun to check on a day like today. Stay in two wheel. find a nice snowy spot and jump on thr throttle. if you have two rooster tails and the rear gets real loose, it's working.

An open diff will do the same if the conditions are right.

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Originally Posted by acsguitar

So I test the 4wd in 2wd?? I'm confused...I tested it last night and noticed I had crazy slipage floring it in 2wd and way more control in 4wd

stoker was describing a way to determine if you have a limited slip differential in your rear axle - he was not describing how to test your 4wd.

03jeeper78 · 11-29-2006, 03:31 PM

4WD only helps you move forward, it doesn't prevent you from going sideways. Anyway, I was surprised how well my stock GSA's did in 4HI in the snow. They were useless in 2WD, but then, so are my BFG AT's.

acsguitar · 11-29-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by stoker

I was refering to checking your trac-lok

I'm confused I thought track lok worked in 4wd....

SuperBTZ · 11-29-2006, 05:17 PM

Just floor it from the start. Spinning the tires is way more fun than traction. Atleas thats what I would do. Or will be doing tomorow (thank God for snow in the forcast!)

acsguitar · 11-29-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperBTZ

Just floor it from the start. Spinning the tires is way more fun than traction. Atleas thats what I would do. Or will be doing tomorow (thank God for snow in the forcast!)

Its fun and all but the mustang and dodge ram on either side might be annoyed as my back end smashes them back and forth.

So I think the "Drive Carefully" Approach is the best here
With sand bags in the back

steve3911 · 11-29-2006, 05:20 PM

A limited slip diff works all the time, 4wd or not has nothing to do with it. Here's a diff 101:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

If you're in 4WD and the back is slipping out, you probably have a limited slip diff. I'm guessing that the tires up front - esp the one with no power - is "anchoring" the front, but the two back tires are spinning try to scoot out and pivot around.

I've had (and have) them and I know they can be a pain sometimes in the snow (esp in turns). However, they are much better than an open diff for off-road use (but not as good as lockers).

~Steve

acsguitar · 11-29-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by steve3911

A limited slip diff works all the time, 4wd or not has nothing to do with it. Here's a diff 101:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

If you're in 4WD and the back is slipping out, you probably have a limited slip diff. I'm guessing that the tires up front - esp the one with no power - is "anchoring" the front, but the two back tires are spinning try to scoot out and pivot around.

I've had (and have) them and I know they can be a pain sometimes in the snow (esp in turns). However, they are much better than an open diff for off-road use (but not as good as lockers).

~Steve

Darn snow..

so I think the sand bags will hold the back down give it more traction and hopefully solve my problem...I'm also getting the GSA's siped sometime this week

Thanks for all the info...I swear I'm gonna be a jeep genius in a year or 10 due to this site

SuperBTZ · 11-29-2006, 05:35 PM

But seriously...
Just start off slow, keeping the rpms low. The GSAs arent gonna get great traction in snow, siping will make a nice diferance though. Overall Im sure you will be able to make it from point A to B. You cant tackle everything, but you should be able to come close

Slidebone · 11-29-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by acsguitar

Any particular siping patterns better then others.

If you have your shop do it, just remind them to not sipe the outside lugs. The siping machine makes a pretty random pattern. Your not designing a new tread, just creating smaller lugs and more squigee like action.

We might actually get 6 inches this weekend. I cant wait!

emcee5000 · 11-29-2006, 11:50 PM

I am always surprised that people defend the wrangler in snowy conditions. I have lived in upstate NY all my life and we see a fair amount of snow 200+ inches. Even in 4wd regardless of tires the back end will break free. You need to slow down and acclimate yourself to how your jeep handles in snow. I have had 4 different tire configurations from gsa's to at to mt, 2 different lift 2.5 to 5+ inches and one thing still remains the same if I want to slide I can, actually I prefer it. Power sliding around corners is much more fun anyway. My grand cherokee handles much better in the snow on sra's and I have gotten stuck on wet grass before. Short wheelbase vehicles will never handle "great" in snow.
I love Jeeps and my TJ but I would hardly call it awesome in snowy conditions, unless under 10 mph and not turning.

rraiderr · 11-29-2006, 11:52 PM

Extra weight in the back helps.

I have a rather large girlfriend so when it snows I make her sit in the back.

It helps allot.

Another great side effect of having her sit in the back is I can't hear a word she is says.

mckaax · 11-29-2006, 11:55 PM

Now that is funny I don't care who you are.

exc911ence · 11-30-2006, 12:33 AM

Your RME has the Dana 44 axle with the limited-slip diff. It also has the 3.73 gear ratio which would be helping break the tires loose. Speaking of tires, I agree, the GSA's are awful.

Once you learn how the Jeep reacts to a heavy left foot in slippery conditions, you'll be fine. Just don't overdrive the road conditions; it's a high-centered short-wheelbase truck with a lot of torque off of idle... a recipe for disaster in the wrong hands.

PS: I wouldn't personally follow the advice of getting a fat girlfriend but whatever works for you is OK by me!

11-29-2006, 03:31 PM	#32
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11-29-2006, 05:17 PM	#34
SuperBTZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: STL Posts: 166 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Just floor it from the start. Spinning the tires is way more fun than traction. Atleas thats what I would do. Or will be doing tomorow (thank God for snow in the forcast!) __________________ [SIZE="1"][B]2005 Black Rubicon[/B] 4.0L I6 \| 6spd Manual \|33" BFGoodrich Mud-Terrains \| SJ 4" Doubleflex \| Warn Front & Rear Bumpers \| Warn Tire Carrier[/SIZE]

11-29-2006, 05:20 PM	#36
steve3911 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 295 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	A limited slip diff works all the time, 4wd or not has nothing to do with it. Here's a diff 101: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm If you're in 4WD and the back is slipping out, you probably have a limited slip diff. I'm guessing that the tires up front - esp the one with no power - is "anchoring" the front, but the two back tires are spinning try to scoot out and pivot around. I've had (and have) them and I know they can be a pain sometimes in the snow (esp in turns). However, they are much better than an open diff for off-road use (but not as good as lockers). ~Steve __________________ ======================= 04 Unlimited 4.5" RE long arm, 1.25 JKS body lift, 35" Coopers STTs (And some boggers soon), skid row oil and steering box skids, warn 9000i winch, skidrow nightcrawler front bumper, hanson rear bumper w/ A frame tire carrier, shrockworks rocker protection, SYE, CV Driveshaft, ARB diff covers, Currie tie rod system, KC lights, CB, and tons of other stuff.

11-29-2006, 05:35 PM	#38
SuperBTZ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: STL Posts: 166 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	But seriously... Just start off slow, keeping the rpms low. The GSAs arent gonna get great traction in snow, siping will make a nice diferance though. Overall Im sure you will be able to make it from point A to B. You cant tackle everything, but you should be able to come close __________________ [SIZE="1"][B]2005 Black Rubicon[/B] 4.0L I6 \| 6spd Manual \|33" BFGoodrich Mud-Terrains \| SJ 4" Doubleflex \| Warn Front & Rear Bumpers \| Warn Tire Carrier[/SIZE]

11-29-2006, 11:55 PM	#42
mckaax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 270 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Now that is funny I don't care who you are.

11-30-2006, 12:33 AM	#43
exc911ence Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 450 Profile Gallery Classifieds My Jeeps	Your RME has the Dana 44 axle with the limited-slip diff. It also has the 3.73 gear ratio which would be helping break the tires loose. Speaking of tires, I agree, the GSA's are awful. Once you learn how the Jeep reacts to a heavy left foot in slippery conditions, you'll be fine. Just don't overdrive the road conditions; it's a high-centered short-wheelbase truck with a lot of torque off of idle... a recipe for disaster in the wrong hands. PS: I wouldn't personally follow the advice of getting a fat girlfriend but whatever works for you is OK by me!