post #1 of Old 08-04-2010, 08:16 PM Thread Starter
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Axle not centered

Okay so it seem my axle sticks out further on the drivers side more than the passenger and while I do know that it's a trackbar issue, my Nth suspension already comes with a specific front trackbar relocator and I have already isconnected it an shook the vehicle, then reconnected but it's still somewhat shifted.

You can see the springs being pulled more towards drivers side like bowed from the sides. What could be the answer?


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post #2 of Old 08-04-2010, 08:27 PM
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adjust the trackbar, if its not adjustable buy one that is.


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adjust the trackbar, if its not adjustable buy one that is.


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Right.. I know to adjust trackbar but the thing is you shouldn't need one with this Nth suspension. It came with a WJ trackbar supplied and the drop down brackets and everything so I would think it would line up.

I just wanted to know if any Nth users had any experience with this.

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My Nth front track bar kit has an adjustable drop to 'help' center the axle based on lift height. I need to move mine over just a bit as well. AEV's install guide basically says centering the axle is a 'best effort' task and you shouldn't really expect the axle to be perfectly centered.

Here's a link to their install guides -- read the install doc and you'll see for yourself. American Expedition Vehicles - Product Documents
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My Nth front track bar kit has an adjustable drop to 'help' center the axle based on lift height. I need to move mine over just a bit as well. AEV's install guide basically says centering the axle is a 'best effort' task and you shouldn't really expect the axle to be perfectly centered.

Here's a link to their install guides -- read the install doc and you'll see for yourself. American Expedition Vehicles - Product Documents
That's craptastic... I don't very much like their description at all.. Basically a you lifted it, prepare for no handling.

Anyway to help out the OP if your axle is too far out the drivers side, and not far enough under the passenger side, you track bar is too short.
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My Nth front track bar kit has an adjustable drop to 'help' center the axle based on lift height. I need to move mine over just a bit as well. AEV's install guide basically says centering the axle is a 'best effort' task and you shouldn't really expect the axle to be perfectly centered.

Here's a link to their install guides -- read the install doc and you'll see for yourself. American Expedition Vehicles - Product Documents
Thanks for the tip, lol it's strange that Nth supensions being so "above" everything else and expensive, you'd think it wouldn't just be a best effort but I guess no one suspension is perfect. I'll be sure to look it over tho.

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That's craptastic... I don't very much like their description at all.. Basically a you lifted it, prepare for no handling.

Anyway to help out the OP if your axle is too far out the drivers side, and not far enough under the passenger side, you track bar is too short.
What are the drawbacks to the axle not being centered? Mine is not off by too much so mAybe I'm just being paranoid. It doesn't seem to drive weird or anything, but will it wear anything out more?

You can tell the control arms and springs are tilting more toward the drivers side so it must be somewhat significant.. I'm just scared when I reinstall my front driveshaft, that it won't be lined up from TC to diff and maybe bind the ujoints.

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Well if you're OCD it's going to bug the crap out of you like it bugged me. That's all I got, its doubtful it's off far enough that your steering will be off, but maybe it is, who knows.
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there are alot of jeeps out there on 2 inch BB that havent done anything about track bars front or rear, they drive fine. Its mostly a look thing, OCD thing(i fall in this catagory), or a clearance thing.
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i had to have my lineman sized roommate push my jeep over while i installed my track bar.... i had him slam into it and i eyeballed where it came to and adjusted the trackbar to that then did little adjustments while he pushed with all his weight to line it up.... mine is now lined up perfectly.

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That's craptastic... I don't very much like their description at all.. Basically a you lifted it, prepare for no handling.

Anyway to help out the OP if your axle is too far out the drivers side, and not far enough under the passenger side, you track bar is too short.
Well, I guess you just hafta drive one...

Mine is the best handling Jeep I've ever driven -- not that I've driven more than a dozen or so different Jeeps. I pulled off a RE 3.5" full kit to install the AEV/Nth. No comparison. I installed the RE kit on my buddy's 2000 TJ for him and drove it before and after for comparison as well.

Not sure what you're referring to with handling anyway -- the axle will shift side to side in relation to the frame as the suspension compresses/extends because of the nature of a track bar setup. I'm more concerned that at full stuff my bumpstops are actually being used for their intended purpose than whether my axle is sitting 'pretty' at a standstill (on a level surface, with no additional weight in the Jeep, yadda, yadda, yadda.)

If your thrust angles are good, it shouldn't make a heck of a lot of difference if your axles are perfectly in line. My rear thrust angle is still out by 5/8" (yeah, I still need to get around to remedying that) and it still drives beautifully!

YMMV

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Well, I guess you just hafta drive one...

Mine is the best handling Jeep I've ever driven -- not that I've driven more than a dozen or so different Jeeps. I pulled off a RE 3.5" full kit to install the AEV/Nth. No comparison. I installed the RE kit on my buddy's 2000 TJ for him and drove it before and after for comparison as well.

Not sure what you're referring to with handling anyway -- the axle will shift side to side in relation to the frame as the suspension compresses/extends because of the nature of a track bar setup. I'm more concerned that at full stuff my bumpstops are actually being used for their intended purpose than whether my axle is sitting 'pretty' at a standstill (on a level surface, with no additional weight in the Jeep, yadda, yadda, yadda.)

If your thrust angles are good, it shouldn't make a heck of a lot of difference if your axles are perfectly in line. My rear thrust angle is still out by 5/8" (yeah, I still need to get around to remedying that) and it still drives beautifully!

YMMV

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Not saying it doesn't drive nicely, I'm just saying since AEV/Nth makes such a big deal about lift and "high" speed handling it just strikes me as kind of bizarre that they say it's a "make the best of" when it comes to track bars is all.
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i had to have my lineman sized roommate push my jeep over while i installed my track bar.... i had him slam into it and i eyeballed where it came to and adjusted the trackbar to that then did little adjustments while he pushed with all his weight to line it up.... mine is now lined up perfectly.
That's about the best way to get the rear one done, but for the front, the easy thing to do is get the wheels straight, then disconnect the trackbar at the axle end, and use the steering wheel to get the axle to the desired left-right position. Then adjust the trackbar accordingly and bolt it in. You'll have to recenter your steering wheel, of course.

That's assuming you have an adjustable front trackbar.

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That's about the best way to get the rear one done, but for the front, the easy thing to do is get the wheels straight, then disconnect the trackbar at the axle end, and use the steering wheel to get the axle to the desired left-right position. Then adjust the trackbar accordingly and bolt it in. You'll have to recenter your steering wheel, of course.

That's assuming you have an adjustable front trackbar.

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i probably should've said that... but yes, that's what i did... muscle the rear, and use the steering wheel for front

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What do I need to center

I am planning to put on 2" BB. Someone just told me that it will make something off centered with this lift. Is it true? If yes, what parts do I need to correct this problem?

Also, do I need longer sway bars?

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Sorry, meant to start a new thread, followed this one by mistake
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