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post #1 of 92 Old 06-15-2012, 02:31 PM Thread Starter
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Any issues with this as a trailer tie down point?

Can anyone see a problem attaching to the axle like this for trailering?



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post #2 of 92 Old 06-15-2012, 02:38 PM
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At least wrap the chain and hook a link. With a shock load that hook could tear away or through that bracket. Not likely, but possible. I'm generally over-cautious with that sort of thing.


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Can anyone see a problem attaching to the axle like this for trailering?

Where is your sway bar?...
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Where is your sway bar?...
Above the gas tank. I don't think it's needed for trailering anyway

Also, that mount is aftermarket and pretty Thick and welded solidly. I was mostly concerned about improperly loading the hook.
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Above the gas tank. I don't think it's needed for trailering anyway

Also, that mount is aftermarket and pretty Thick and welded solidly. I was mostly concerned about improperly loading the hook.
Currie built 9"?

Dont you have something you can setup on the bumper for the chains?...

Edit: Ohhh, I thought you meant pulling a trailer (safety chain)!

Isn't that bracket .125"?...
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I was mostly concerned about improperly loading the hook.
The cantilever on the hook is not good at all, and the chain link is even worse. I still say just wrap the axle with the chain and attach the hook to the chain as it's intended.

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Edit: Ohhh, I thought you meant pulling a trailer (safety chain)!
I initially thought the same...


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The cantilever on the hook is not good at all, and the chain link is even worse. I still say just wrap the axle with the chain and attach the hook to the chain as it's intended.



I initially thought the same...
I originally was using an axle strap, but the brackets were starting to tear into it. I'll just wrap the chain around the axle. The sway bar bracket is 3/16, but that's moot since I'm not going to use it.

I guess the only way that track bar bracket could be used properly would be to go straight down so there are no abrupt change in direction on the chain?

I don't intend to do that, I just want to make sure I understand what is proper.
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I originally was using an axle strap, but the brackets were starting to tear into it. I'll just wrap the chain around the axle. The sway bar bracket is 3/16, but that's moot since I'm not going to use it.

I guess the only way that track bar bracket could be used properly would be to go straight down so there are no abrupt change in direction on the chain?

I don't intend to do that, I just want to make sure I understand what is proper.
Thinking for another minute, it's one of those things that people may do and get away with all the time, but wrapping it really isn't right either.

A chain should never wrap or break (bend) around anything but a proper corners or edges; their max strength is only in straight line tension.

Can you not get a straight hook onto the CA brackets? If you do use a wrap, which I can't wholeheartedly recommend, pad the tube with something.


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Wrapping that chain around the axle (with no pad) is just fine.


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Wrapping that chain around the axle (with no pad) is just fine.
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....it's one of those things that people may do and get away with all the time, but wrapping it really isn't right either.
Do what you will, but wrapping any corner results in a break over of links just like the one attached to the hook in the op pic. Huge strength loss and virtually no shock resistance compared to direct tension. You'd be very surprised how a towel pad changes the dynamic.

Like I said, I'm kinda a-type about these things.


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Since your not using that mount for anything but unusable ballast why not cut it off and smooth the tube out and go back to using a axle strap?
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Since your not using that mount for anything but unusable ballast why not cut it off and smooth the tube out and go back to using a axle strap?
X 2 it looks like its seen better days anyway

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Do what you will, but wrapping any corner results in a break over of links just like the one attached to the hook in the op pic. Huge strength loss and virtually no shock resistance compared to direct tension. You'd be very surprised how a towel pad changes the dynamic.

Like I said, I'm kinda a-type about these things.
I've worked as a rigger and yard guy in a crane yard, there's no problem doing it to hold down equipment. That's kind of what the hook is for.

Let me guess, you're an engineer?


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I've worked as a rigger and yard guy in a crane yard, there's no problem doing it to hold down equipment. That's kind of what the hook is for.

Let me guess, you're an engineer?
Professional rigger with an engineering background, thanks. Chains and hooks are not intended to be cantilevered. I use them on an almost daily basis and like I've said twice already, people do it all the time without consequence, but that doesn't make it right.


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Look around for some j hooks like what wreckers have on the end of there chains when they hook the axles. Best thing there is being that's what there ment for That's what is use since I worked for a wrecker company and was givin a set when I ask we're I could get some
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