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Unread 04-19-2010, 11:11 PM   #46
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Unread 04-20-2010, 03:27 AM   #47
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man what a day. alright..may have to drop a call to burnsville and see what they say about the vvt motors. yeah im excited to get the tnt kit... thanks for the positive re-enforcement.

today was a long day.. i have to keep reminding myself of the famous line form armegedon by my boy bruce willis/ harry stamper..... 'this is what is what happens when you drill... you cant follow the official nasa drilling timetables.''' we around here change it up to 'this is what happens when you build..' there is always something that you dont plan for, know about or just plain wont work like you want it too without alittle more engineering.

so made the dealership and picked up a pile of stuff. some i was sure id bring back, but better to have than stop at 9pm 'cause you dont. the plan was to get the motor on the stand and 'just swap out the oil pans.' yeah that was the plan. well 5" metric bolts are not easy to come by to put the block on the plate for the stand... great issue #1

ok ill just swap them out on the lift, not a big deal... 6.1 pan off no problem. 5.7 pan on... issue #2 the rear [2] corner bolts are not used with the 6.1 pan; therefore you can [a] drill out the holes or [b] just get the 5.7 gasket. i went with [a] and drilled out the holes only to find that the tabs that stick outside the clamping surface the 6.1 used will raise the 5.7 structural dust cover and not allow it to mate correctly to the tranny. GREAT. so motor has to go on the stand now and off to the depot i have to go.

i quick fabed up a adapter plate so i could use 1/2 stuff to get the motor on the stand. while on the way to the depot.. got a call from a possible new blonde upgrade so progress was paused for awhile...

back at the shop... i got the motor on the stand and flipped over. opened up the 5.7 gasket and now found issue #3. the 6.1 has larger openings in the windage tray than the 5.7...... the windage trays themselves are the same size etc. i grabbed the sharpie and then off to the plasma cutter for some quick swiss cheese work on the tray. a few globs of RTV in the 4 block mating areas and then dropped the pan on. issue #4, the oil pan bolts for the 6.1 are 1/8th longer than the 5.7 seeing the 6.1 has a cast pan. good thing i ordered 20 new pan bolts.

ok, issue #5. the 6.1 have a steel bushing in the crankshaft pilot bearing hole for mating with the NAG1 trannys.... yep-has to come out when using a 545rfe. oh yay and yep, cant use a bearing puller...... that took a minute to remove.

on to issue #6, installing the 5.7 flexplate. so the 6.1 crank bolt pattern is just a touch different. 1 of the 8 was just off abit so alittle clearancing there and the flexplate bolted up. whew. the 6.1 and 5.7 flexplates have the same ring gear/diameter, the primary difference is the bolt pattern for the torque converter.

well all this fun stuff aside... i called it quits at 3am after getting the trans mated up to the new 6.1/5.7 hybrid assembly without any further issues. looks like the 6.1 starter will work and i can take the 5.7 back but i havent set it on the trans yet so ill find out tomorrow.

i need to pick up [1] metric bolt for the motor mount, advance adapters sends out 7 bolts and [1] stud for some reason and in this case, i cant see a use for it at all.

tomorrows plan.... start to strip the old lift off. maybe mount the tube bender and make a set of front hoops. all in good time..

so back to axles.... stock jeep tj-lj we know is 60.5." 78 ford stuff is 67+ wide, mid 80s to 97 is 69+ wide. i have been sweeping the forums and net...i am thinking that i want to be about 65" wide on a 17x9 wheel with a 4.5 BS. ive come to the conclusion that buying JY axles seems to be close to the same cost if i just order cut to spec axle housings from dynatrac or currie. seeing that the stock gears, carriers, bearings, shafts, brake pads, possibly rotors... will all have to be replaced for trail ready peice of mind and new application. theres the JY cost of the axles, the $ to have it cut down, sandblasted, etc... any thoughts for you guys who have been through this? should have dones and shouldnt have dones?

also what are your thoughts on spindle bearing vs unit bearing. i put 300K miles on my old f350 sd dually with 35s and unit bearings. im thinking of running 05+ SD UB on the front and rear with locking hubs up front and drive flanges in the rear....then id just carry a replacement assembly. the rear would then be a FF as well. id like to use all stock 8 lug stuff- brakes, rotors etc to keep things simple. again looking for real life experience opinions on this too.

oh yeah.. sorry no pics tonight.. the kids in the shop left the camera on. ill have pics up tomorrow.
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Unread 04-20-2010, 04:23 AM   #48
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Been following your build and I'm impressed! Looking forward to doing a powerplant swap in a few years once I have a little more room to play (it's difficult working on a vehicle in a rented 1 car garage with no power or light).

I have no personal experience with JY vs sourced axles, however bare housings for prorock 60s are about 1500-1700 dollars (Poly Performance Inc.*::*Axles, CV & Accessories*::*Dynatrac*::*Dynatrac Pro Rock 60 High-Clearance Bare Housing - Jeep JK Synergy Suspension Systems, Fox Racing Shox, Beard, CTM, Johnny Joints®, Currie Enterprises, Edelbrock, Pit Bull Tires, Ramsey ) - not having personally rebuilt a 1-ton JY axle this does sound like a reasonable price for the quality of final product you are looking for, though I'm not sure how it lines up with what your end-game is.

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Unread 04-20-2010, 05:21 PM   #49
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ok as promised.. more pics
6.1 getting ready for the stand with stock SRT8 cast oil pan

factory pan off.... oooooohhh pretty inside

new 5.7 pan installed

6.1/5.7 hybrid mounted up to the 545rfe trans, new flexplate, dust shield, starter etc...
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Unread 04-20-2010, 05:27 PM   #50
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pulled all the of the superlift long arm kit off this afternoon. now im kinda bummed as i am now in a holding pattern....waiting on parts. ive got a handful of misc stuff to go back to dealership. currently my invoice total is around 287.00. ill get that back down abit with the returns.

upgraded blonde option 1 stated im too busy with "things." hmm looks like she just moved herself off into the 'not a jeep fan' and subsequently the "do not respond category." oh well.... on to the next.
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4.0 to 2008 5.3L GM LS in the Taco'd TJ [frame off build].....http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f9/5-...28/?highlight=
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This is one awesome build. Keep up the awesome work.
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orchimax1... i hear that... always a bummer when your limited by factors like that!!!!
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wow threads like this make my brain want to do some things that are way over my head....
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Haha, I hear ya! Currently slightly overwhelmed by swapping a 46RH for a 46RH in my $400 ZJ, so when the time comes for something this major I better have made some experienced friends around here!
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Panda,

Why the swap in oil pans? They both look like rear sump.

I'm very intersted in your swap as I have a 6.1 lined up as well for my LJ.

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On the axles. I've found the 67" WMS seems to work really well in the front. You can get the 5-6" BS wheels and center them over the knuckles better. The back can be 65". I'd stick with semi float as you aren't going to be carrying a load and it will save you coinage. You already know there is no budget on this type of a build!

Blaine can explain this alot better but I do know on our Savvy Jeep we are building that's about the width of the axles we want to accomodate 40"+ tires.

Really liking your build! More pictures please!

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crawled and subscribed. didnt finish reading through yet but, do you have any pictures of your jeep before you started? what was the specs on your jeep before?
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On the axles. I've found the 67" WMS seems to work really well in the front. You can get the 5-6" BS wheels and center them over the knuckles better. The back can be 65". I'd stick with semi float as you aren't going to be carrying a load and it will save you coinage. You already know there is no budget on this type of a build!

Blaine can explain this alot better but I do know on our Savvy Jeep we are building that's about the width of the axles we want to accomodate 40"+ tires.

Really liking your build! More pictures please!

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Gerald, save the axles. I will buy the Jeep as is now
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Gerald, save the axles. I will buy the Jeep as is now
Not the LJ! We are building another rig. I still want a V8 in the LJ.
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