[lukethedork]

Originally Posted by mrblaine

Again, your experience may not be the norm and for you to proclaim it so is mentally challenged.

I'm not proclaiming everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes will be safe, I was saying that ours (nicholas and I) have been certified safe by our local authorities.

What I am saying is that not everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes is unsafe as you seem to think, and I believe that I have proven that by having my brakes certified as safe at my last MOT test.

Luke.

[J03_TJ]

Originally Posted by maaghimself

I've never tried it at highway speeds, but at decent speed I can slam on the brakes and lock up the 35s. What more do I want? If stock brakes can lock the wheels up, how will I benefit from bigger ones?

You always benefit when you have "Bigger ones", at least in your own mind. I upgraded to the EBS Yellowstuff more for piece of mind, and I had to do something else cause my Jeep funnybone was tingling.
What bugs me is when I read about guys on the forums finish installing the Yellowstuff pads and comment on the instant improvement. Reading my instructions that came with the pads, it said to use the pads easy for the first 500 miles as they are still seating, at 1000 miles is when you should do some hard stops to seat them. I was wondering while the jeep was still on jackstands if I was feeling the same instant gratification that I had read about.

[98blacksahara]

If anyone is going out to the lobby anytime soon, I'll take some popcorn.

On a side note, I am running 36's on stock front brakes, in the rear I have upgraded to a disc braked 8.8. That alone made a huge difference in braking, but its still not good. I will be upgrading to v8 grand brakes this winter. ( I only drive 4 miles a day, round trip)

On a side note, stock 8.8 rear discs are bigger than stock TJ fronts, that should say something right there.

Jerry, Blaine, Nevermonday, and the rest catch alot of crap on here about topics like this for no reason. They are not telling you your brakes are inadequate to make themselves feel better or whatever made up reason you want to add. They are knowledable individuals that bring alot of information to this forum. These guys are a valuable resource and should be treated as such, not flamed everytime they post something that is not what you wanted to hear.

[Vandano]

Originally Posted by lukethedork

I'm not proclaiming everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes will be safe, I was saying that ours (nicholas and I) have been certified safe by our local authorities.

What I am saying is that not everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes is unsafe as you seem to think, and I believe that I have proven that by having my brakes certified as safe at my last MOT test.

Luke.

You can do whatever you like and nobody is denying that. But saying that the australian governments "Mot" test with "sophisticated equipment" does "tests" the specific results of which have not yet been mentioned is the be all end all of safety is absurd.

Just because a government agency says "yeah thats safe" does not mean it is. It may be enough for there sophisticated equipment but i don't believe it will be enough if you cause an accident... Not saying you definitely will but but use your own judgment for safe not some corrupt bureaucracy's decisions whose requirements may not be in your best interest.

[quiksilverj]

Originally Posted by RYANSTULC

Please provide some detailed elaboration on this "special equipment",
or stop using the term as though it qualifies as beneficial.

its a rock hanging from a string prob not

[agent_J]

So what happens, if say next year, "the government" changes its standards and decides your brakes are now unsafe? Will you agree with them and take your vehicle off the road? Just curious...

[Jerry Bransford]

Originally Posted by lukethedork

I'm not proclaiming everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes will be safe...

Of course you did, look at your own subject title.

[AlTheKillerr]

my brakes are doing just fine with the 35s but i plan on upgrading the brakes very soon. im in the process of making my jeep "safe" before i continue to build for offroad.

just because its doable doesnt make it the safest option

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by lukethedork

I'm not proclaiming everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes will be safe, I was saying that ours (nicholas and I) have been certified safe by our local authorities.

What I am saying is that not everyones TJ on 35s with stock brakes is unsafe as you seem to think, and I believe that I have proven that by having my brakes certified as safe at my last MOT test.

Luke.

Maybe it's your comprehension, lack thereof, or my posting style, but I dare you to go back through any of my replies where I've stated that "all" TJ brakes are bad on 35's.

They do have their inherent issues that make them a poor choice purely from a durability and efficiency standpoint, but nowhere have I said that all TJ's on 35's are dangerous. In fact, if you do get bored and search, you will find that typically I'm the only one that points out that I've driven TJ's on 37's that do just fine.

So, go find another group to lump me into because I don't belong in the pigenhole you have me in.

[Junky burp]

Hey, MRJenkins.... I tow a utility trailer bone stock and for the 2000 lb rating on mine, I have no trouble braking without the electric brakes....... I guess I'm curious about what standard the manufacturer meets when rating the GVWR. There must be something. Maybe doesn't matter.

[jmasin]

Originally Posted by maaghimself

I've never tried it at highway speeds, but at decent speed I can slam on the brakes and lock up the 35s. What more do I want? If stock brakes can lock the wheels up, how will I benefit from bigger ones?

The ability to lock brakes after 'slamming' on them has very little link to stopping ability.

[mrblaine]

Originally Posted by jmasin

The ability to lock brakes after 'slamming' on them has very little link to stopping ability.

It doesn't unless you can't.

[Jerry Bransford]

Originally Posted by mrblaine

Maybe it's your comprehension, lack thereof, or my posting style, but I dare you to go back through any of my replies where I've stated that "all" TJ brakes are bad on 35's.

Neither did I. In my very first post in this thread I said that "SOME" TJ brakes do just fine with 35" tires but simply that the "majority" do not.

[-sean-]

Originally Posted by mrblaine

In fact, if you do get bored and search, you will find that typically I'm the only one that points out that I've driven TJ's on 37's that do just fine.

I will save him (and others) the effort. Besides, unless you pay for an upgraded membership, searching in JF sucks.

Blaine and I discussed this a little in my garage one day. I run stock brakes, still the same pads after 65k, and 37's. The 37's have been on my rig for 35k. Does my rig stop, yes. And it does fine for me on the street, when it's driven on the street which is not much. BUT, I'm a truck driver, I deal with dangerous breaking situations everyday. AND my rig is very light compared to most.
So my point, just because you can (as stated before) doesn't make it right.
My rig is still on stockers because I'm going to one tons and didn't want to spend the money on brakes for an axle I already wasted way to much money on. And by the way, my brakes SUCK on the trail and in my case that is where they count most.
Since we are talking about TJ's that are presumably used off road, at least sometimes, lets look at the braking issue from an "off road" point of view.
Try getting your brakes to hold you down a steep descent in 4-low with 35's. Assuming your geared for the tires you're running and your rig is an average TJ weight, your braking power will be lacking to say the least.
Try going down this with 35's and stock brakes... not fun!

[TheBoogieman]

Originally Posted by -sean-

Try going down this with 35's and stock brakes... not fun!

That's what motorcycles are for.Gas it and jump.