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Unread 05-17-2011, 11:01 AM   #1261
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So which oil would you guys prefer to run in your jeeps? The turbo diesel or the Valvoline?

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Unread 05-17-2011, 11:27 AM   #1262
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TDT. I can get TDT for $25 for 4 quarts. I have to buy three for two oil changes. That translates to $37 for oil per change and a $5-6 Mopar filter.

I haven't priced the VR1, but I would use it assuming the price was equal or better. With a quick search Amazon has it for $62 for 12 quarts.

ZDDPlus is around $11 per oil change. Assuming you still want a decent ZDDP oil like a Mobil 1 high mileage which cost around $31, it's the most expensive option. This would likely be my last choice.

So with just a quick search (your results may vary):
TDT: $37
VR1: $32
M1HM w/ZDDPlus: $42
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Unread 05-17-2011, 01:25 PM   #1263
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I already did the Fogmod and used the Turbo Disel oil so i will probably stick with. I was just wondering what you thought on it because the valvoline was mentioned after I had already switched to the TDT. Thanks for the input
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Unread 05-17-2011, 01:35 PM   #1264
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Over lunch today I just picked up 6 quarts of VR-1 10w-30 along with a NAPA gold filter and paid $36 before tax. With the NAPA ProSelect filter it would have been about $3 less.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 01:43 PM   #1265
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I already did the Fogmod and used the Turbo Disel oil so i will probably stick with. I was just wondering what you thought on it because the valvoline was mentioned after I had already switched to the TDT. Thanks for the input
The TDT has reported levels of Phosphorus-1100ppm and Zinc-1200ppm while the VR-1 has Phosphorus-1200 ppm and Zinc-1300ppm.

You are still much better off than any ordinary SM oils that are at the 800/900ppm range.

A plus to the VR-1 is it is available in the 10w30 weight that it recommended for the 4.0 while the TDT is a heavier weight 5w40.

The plus to the TDT is that it is synthetic which means a possible longer drain interval, but with the lower levels of zddp I wouldn't run it much longer than a dino oil. Remember those zddp levels drop with usage.


In addition, it is advisable to periodically check manufacturers specs as formulations do change.

As an example the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30 that I used to run now has lower levels of 900 Phos. and 1000ppm Zinc. They used to be 1200 Phos and 1300ppm Zinc.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 05:38 PM   #1266
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A plus to the VR-1 is it is available in the 10w30 weight that it recommended for the 4.0 while the TDT is a heavier weight 5w40.

The plus to the TDT is that it is synthetic which means a possible longer drain interval, but with the lower levels of zddp I wouldn't run it much longer than a dino oil. Remember those zddp levels drop with usage.
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As an example the Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30 that I used to run now has lower levels of 900 Phos. and 1000ppm Zinc. They used to be 1200 Phos and 1300ppm Zinc.
Bobtheoilguy.com does a good job on keeping results updated. I also have a tendency to look at product guide dates to see if they are current.

The TDT is simply more convenient for me to grab at Walmart. Also, in the Baltimore area AdvanceAutoParts is having a Mobil 1 oil change special that includes the TDT and filter for $32 (you'll have to spot the other quart as normal for the 4.0).

I agree about the interval time. I would still do 3000-5000 miles depending on driving habits. I'm not very comfortable leaving the oil in longer especially with our OPDA.

Also note the TDT being a diesel oil hybrid has increased detergents that should be beneficial.

I don't know that the 40 weight is that big a deal. If I remember correctly talking to Slugger, he has a neighbor that has a Jeep with over 100K and no OPDA issues and they were using a diesel oil. Slugger correct me if I'm wrong. The lower 5 may be better in the cold months for sure. Prior to finding out about the OPDA I was using a 5w30. When we start getting into 20w50 diesel oil I would be cautious.

Overall I agree that the VR1 is a suitable oil and if give the ease of access I would likely choose it over the TDT. Ultimately I think any of the three choices is fine.

All that said, I'm learning all this as I go. If you'd have talked to me 5 years ago I would be putting anything in the engine that was on sale that week. How times have changed. I've gone from a $20 oil change to a $40 change.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 06:01 PM   #1267
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I've been running amsoil 10w30 synthetic since mile 1. I have not had any symptoms, and haven't even checked my pods. 57k miles.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 06:15 PM   #1268
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I've been running amsoil 10w30 synthetic since mile 1. I have not had any symptoms, and haven't even checked my pods. 57k miles.
Why not check it? I did Pizzle's OPDA with 50K and no symptoms and found a shot gear and scorch marks on the upper shaft. The shaft is on the first page. Below is the gear. Just because you have no symptoms doesn't mean you're out of the woods. The OPDA may not squeal before failing.





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Unread 05-17-2011, 06:30 PM   #1269
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Bobtheoilguy.com does a good job on keeping results updated. I also have a tendency to look at product guide dates to see if they are current.

The TDT is simply more convenient for me to grab at Walmart. Also, in the Baltimore area AdvanceAutoParts is having a Mobil 1 oil change special that includes the TDT and filter for $32 (you'll have to spot the other quart as normal for the 4.0).

I agree about the interval time. I would still do 3000-5000 miles depending on driving habits. I'm not very comfortable leaving the oil in longer especially with our OPDA.

Also note the TDT being a diesel oil hybrid has increased detergents that should be beneficial.

I don't know that the 40 weight is that big a deal. If I remember correctly talking to Slugger, he has a neighbor that has a Jeep with over 100K and no OPDA issues and they were using a diesel oil. Slugger correct me if I'm wrong. The lower 5 may be better in the cold months for sure. Prior to finding out about the OPDA I was using a 5w30. When we start getting into 20w50 diesel oil I would be cautious.

Overall I agree that the VR1 is a suitable oil and if give the ease of access I would likely choose it over the TDT. Ultimately I think any of the three choices is fine.

All that said, I'm learning all this as I go. If you'd have talked to me 5 years ago I would be putting anything in the engine that was on sale that week. How times have changed. I've gone from a $20 oil change to a $40 change.
Yea most modern diesels from pick-ups to heavy equipment now use 15/40 for economic reasons,you can buy in bulk for all your uses. The 15w winter rating is probably a little thick for cold morning starts.The idiot oil gauge doesn't help you get a feel for how quick the pressure comes up.

You have to shop a little more to find 10/30 diesel oils, but I wouldn't use anything heavier.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 07:23 PM   #1270
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I've been running amsoil 10w30 synthetic since mile 1. I have not had any symptoms, and haven't even checked my pods. 57k miles.
Heed Willy's advice and at least check yours out.

I used Mobil 1 High Mileage (the previous high zddp stuff) for nearly all of my Heeps 65k miles with no symptoms either. Pulled mine after seeing these threads a couple months back and my OPDA drive gear was worn to the point you could shave your beard with the razor sharp teeth.






You have nothing to lose by checking it out, but catching a possible failure to gain.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 07:44 PM   #1271
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Bobtheoilguy.com does a good job on keeping results updated. I also have a tendency to look at product guide dates to see if they are current.

The TDT is simply more convenient for me to grab at Walmart. Also, in the Baltimore area AdvanceAutoParts is having a Mobil 1 oil change special that includes the TDT and filter for $32 (you'll have to spot the other quart as normal for the 4.0).

I agree about the interval time. I would still do 3000-5000 miles depending on driving habits. I'm not very comfortable leaving the oil in longer especially with our OPDA.

Also note the TDT being a diesel oil hybrid has increased detergents that should be beneficial.

I don't know that the 40 weight is that big a deal. If I remember correctly talking to Slugger, he has a neighbor that has a Jeep with over 100K and no OPDA issues and they were using a diesel oil. Slugger correct me if I'm wrong. The lower 5 may be better in the cold months for sure. Prior to finding out about the OPDA I was using a 5w30. When we start getting into 20w50 diesel oil I would be cautious.

Overall I agree that the VR1 is a suitable oil and if give the ease of access I would likely choose it over the TDT. Ultimately I think any of the three choices is fine.

All that said, I'm learning all this as I go. If you'd have talked to me 5 years ago I would be putting anything in the engine that was on sale that week. How times have changed. I've gone from a $20 oil change to a $40 change.
I agree with your assesment and I'm not against TDT at all. I too used TDT once I found the Mobil 1 HM formula I had used for a couple years had been changed.
The choice between the TDT and VR-1 was six of one, half-dozen of the other (oil pan capacity pun intended) I went with the VR-1 soley because it had a tad higher Zinc and Phosphorus levels.

The fact the TDT is a synthetic pretty much squelches concerns regarding it's higher viscosity.

I feel they are the two best choices remaining in the market (along with a couple of the higher dollar designer oils) for flat tappet cam engines.

Just to clarify a couple points here regarding these two oils:

1) Mobil 1 TDT does not have exceesively high detergent levels like most other diesel oils.
It is fine to use in a gas engine and Mobil supports and advertises this fact.

2) Valvoline VR-1 does not lack detergent levels like most actual true racing oils do.
It is fine to use for street driven passenger vehicles for normal drain intervals. Valvoline supports and advertises this fact.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 08:51 PM   #1272
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Heed Willy's advice and at least check yours out.

I used Mobil 1 High Mileage (the previous high zddp stuff) for nearly all of my Heeps 65k miles with no symptoms either. Pulled mine after seeing these threads a couple months back and my OPDA drive gear was worn to the point you could shave your beard with the razor sharp teeth.






You have nothing to lose by checking it out, but catching a possible failure to gain.
I plan on checking it within the next few weeks. Im just a little nervous as to what im gonna find, considering it's my DD and the dealers aren't covering this issue(correct?).
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Unread 05-17-2011, 09:08 PM   #1273
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I plan on checking it within the next few weeks. Im just a little nervous as to what im gonna find, considering it's my DD and the dealers aren't covering this issue(correct?).
Dealer covered mine under the transferable 7/70 powertrain. Did a bunch of other work they thought worthy under warranty while it was in there.
Unfortunately for some however, not all dealers are on the same page as far as coverage goes.

If your local dealer denies it, I highly suggest you contact your regional representative and tell them some folks are infact getting this covered and provide them with a link to this site including the discussion of possible lawsuit over the issue.
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Unread 05-18-2011, 07:03 AM   #1274
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Dealer covered mine under the transferable 7/70 powertrain. Did a bunch of other work they thought worthy under warranty while it was in there.
Unfortunately for some however, not all dealers are on the same page as far as coverage goes.

If your local dealer denies it, I highly suggest you contact your regional representative and tell them some folks are infact getting this covered and provide them with a link to this site including the discussion of possible lawsuit over the issue.
The dealer covered mine for $100 deductible after arguing. I would expect them not to cover you and you should plan for that result. Contact Bobby at Dodgewholesale.com (first page) and find out the availability. They are $260 and the stock is unknown. From the dealer it will be over $300.

Everything you need is on the first page and if you have any questions let us know. I hate hearing stories of guys losing their Jeeps over this. It's treatable. The faster you act the better chance you have.

Maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones. Check to be sure.
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Unread 05-18-2011, 07:13 AM   #1275
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Heed Willy's advice and at least check yours out.

I used Mobil 1 High Mileage (the previous high zddp stuff) for nearly all of my Heeps 65k miles with no symptoms either. Pulled mine after seeing these threads a couple months back and my OPDA drive gear was worn to the point you could shave your beard with the razor sharp teeth.






You have nothing to lose by checking it out, but catching a possible failure to gain.
I wouldn't call that bad wear. I've seen worse in pics.
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