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Unread 01-24-2011, 08:00 AM   #136
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Updated the Problems section with the "laughing monkey" video made by fropleyquark. Thanks!
No prob. Hope it helps.

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Unread 01-24-2011, 09:16 AM   #137
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Updated the Problems section with the "laughing monkey" video made by fropleyquark. Thanks!
Thanks to both of you. I finally know what the "Laughing Monkey's" sound like. Hope this is the last time I hear it.




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Unread 01-24-2011, 09:28 AM   #138
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I know this is probably not new news, but got this from http://www.directmopar.com/. Was doing web searches looking for places that sell the OPDAs and they listed it. Here is there response when I asked if they had them in stock.

"No sir, that part is on a major back order. I ran it on the locator and the only two dealerships showing this part refused to sell it. If you have any questions let us know.
Thanks"

Looks like I will be modding my old one till they get some new ones built.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 10:06 AM   #139
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Skygeek.com. I would get it from there. Most other "local" grease is too thick. It will take a few days to get it, but it's worth it. It will cost you about $25. It will be enough to last the life of your jeep.
i ordered from skygeek too, shipping was very reasonable and i got the grease in about 3 or 4 days. very well packed too so i didn't get a box full of grease
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Unread 01-24-2011, 10:13 AM   #140
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Did they replace your OPDA when they did all this? Seems odd that you would have severe wear in only 7000 miles if they did.
They did. It's listed on the invoice as a distributor (8027001) and Oil Pump (Pump Engi 9057001). Unless the dealer flat out lied to me and, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 10:24 AM   #141
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They did. It's listed on the invoice as a distributor (8027001) and Oil Pump (Pump Engi 9057001). Unless the dealer flat out lied to me and, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.
How was it not covered under warranty? This is a terrible story.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 10:49 AM   #142
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How was it not covered under warranty? This is a terrible story.
I was the third owner, so Chrysler basically told me to go to hell when I contacted them.

When I had the repair I was posting here.

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Unread 01-24-2011, 10:51 AM   #143
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I was the third owner, so Chrysler basically told me to go to hell when I contacted them.
I had the exact same experience with the dealer. I called Chrystler and since Im the 2nd owner, they basically said I was SOL.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 12:05 PM   #144
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Sometimes Chrysler will cover 50% of the cost, sometimes they tell you to go to hell. Regardless unbelievable that you had to come out of pocket $3,000 grnberet2b! This makes me sick, regardless if you're the 10th owner, this problem is due to faulty manufactured parts, not user error. Chrysler will never accept this fact though. It's ashame there isn't a class action suit, it pisses me off that this is costing so many Jeep owners money. It's not our fault for buying a 2005-2006 TJ or LJ, but that's how it seems
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Unread 01-24-2011, 01:12 PM   #145
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Willydigger- Great video, but could you clarify 1 thing before I remove mine- Is the exact postioning of the housing itself to the block not that crucial?
You stated that getting the wheel clocked correctly back in the housing was the key. I must have been confused as I thought I read earlier that the housing position to the block needs set with an OBDII??
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Unread 01-24-2011, 01:37 PM   #146
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Willydigger- Great video, but could you clarify 1 thing before I remove mine- Is the exact postioning of the housing itself to the block not that crucial?
You stated that getting the wheel clocked correctly back in the housing was the key. I must have been confused as I thought I read earlier that the housing position to the block needs to be re-set with an OBDII??
Here is my advice. Mark the crap out of the thing and put it back the way you found it. Take a picture, use colored markers, whatever it takes to get it back in the way it came out.

The relationship with the target wheel and the sensor is the key part. As you saw in the video the target wheel has a little slop (backlash) so odds are it will not go in exactly the way it came out. The good thing is the computer will compensate for that and you will not notice. Now if you put it back together with it completely wrong you will throw a code. The actual marking of the housing to the engine is not as critical and arguably is not needed at all.

The OBDII will help determine the perfect alignment between the target wheel and the sensor. I believe the computer will compensate up to 15 deviance. Don't quote me on that, but if you match your lines back up for the target wheel and the sensor you should be within a few degrees.

All that said, put all the marks on the OPDA like in the video. You'll have the housing/block, sensor/target, and the backup.

Also you will not need an OBDII. Some have claimed they helped with fuel economy, but you will be so close with the sharpie you won't need it.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 01:56 PM   #147
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Here is my advice. Mark the crap out of the thing and put it back the way you found it. Take a picture, use colored markers, whatever it takes to get it back in the way it came out.

The relationship with the target wheel and the sensor is the key part. As you saw in the video the target wheel has a little slop (backlash) so odds are it will not go in exactly the way it came out. The good thing is the computer will compensate for that and you will not notice. Now if you put it back together with it completely wrong you will throw a code. The actual marking of the housing to the engine is not as critical and arguably is not needed at all.

The OBDII will help determine the perfect alignment between the target wheel and the sensor. I believe the computer will compensate up to 15 deviance. Don't quote me on that, but if you match your lines back up for the target wheel and the sensor you should be within a few degrees.

All that said, put all the marks on the OPDA like in the video. You'll have the housing/block, sensor/target, and the backup.

Also you will not need an OBDII. Some have claimed they helped with fuel economy, but you will be so close with the sharpie you won't need it.
Thanks for the reply. I wasn't questioning so much as clarifying. Obviously you have removed and re-installed yours multiple times and yours is running so your method works.



I was curious if there was a current poll of '05-'06 owners stating mileage, OPDA issues thus far, oil type etc., to give a better idea of the actual scope of this problem.

When you consider all the '05-'06's in use today outside the confines of this message board, a bunch of those must be nearing and/or surpassing 100k miles by now and you'd think that there'd be more of a widespread epidemic of failures than just those documented here.



I'd be interested to get a better idea of actual real world percentage of failure.



With the obvious design flaw I'm suprised this isn't beginning to overhwhelm DC service depts. and DC customer service with complaints??



In other words, if by and large nearly all units from those two model years are destined for eventual failure if unattended as suggested here, eventually DC will be forced to come up with a satisfactory replacement part along with cam replacement for all '05-'06 models equipped with the 4.0. Seems it will be just too big of an issue to ignore and deny long term? An entire 2 year run of eventual engine failures of a name-brand auto is major news.

Thoughts and comments welcomed.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 02:00 PM   #148
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Skygeek.com. I would get it from there. Most other "local" grease is too thick. It will take a few days to get it, but it's worth it. It will cost you about $25. It will be enough to last the life of your jeep.
Skygeek was almost charging the cost of the grease to ship to Los Angeles. I found a local place that stocks Shell AeroShell 33MS. I will do the FogMOD this weekend. Thank you for all of your help.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 02:36 PM   #149
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't questioning so much as clarifying. Obviously you have removed and re-installed yours multiple times and yours is running so your method works.
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I didn't mean to come off too harsh. I reread my post and it may have seemed so. If so I apologize.

You would think there would be some feedback from dealers or Chrysler. All I've gotten was the "mouth-breather" look, denials, and an overall lack of significant help. This forum and the contributors have been outstanding.

My biggest fear from the Chrysler's lack of support is the potential for the camshaft damage. The dealer told me straight-faced that the camshaft was fine. That is the one area were engine knowledge is required for service. I hope with a suitably lubricated OPDA and ZDDP the camshaft gear will survive.
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Unread 01-24-2011, 03:18 PM   #150
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Thanks for the reply. I wasn't questioning so much as clarifying. Obviously you have removed and re-installed yours multiple times and yours is running so your method works.



I was curious if there was a current poll of '05-'06 owners stating mileage, OPDA issues thus far, oil type etc., to give a better idea of the actual scope of this problem.

When you consider all the '05-'06's in use today outside the confines of this message board, a bunch of those must be nearing and/or surpassing 100k miles by now and you'd think that there'd be more of a widespread epidemic of failures than just those documented here.



I'd be interested to get a better idea of actual real world percentage of failure.



With the obvious design flaw I'm suprised this isn't beginning to overhwhelm DC service depts. and DC customer service with complaints??



In other words, if by and large nearly all units from those two model years are destined for eventual failure if unattended as suggested here, eventually DC will be forced to come up with a satisfactory replacement part along with cam replacement for all '05-'06 models equipped with the 4.0. Seems it will be just too big of an issue to ignore and deny long term? An entire 2 year run of eventual engine failures of a name-brand auto is major news.

Thoughts and comments welcomed.
Over the years I've dealt with a fleet of Ford trucks and have seen firsthand replacement parts that have undergone improvements over the original failed part. This is on trucks that have sold in the hundreds of thousands, Chrysler is only saying there " could possibly " be a problem with 16,000 Jeeps so I don't look for a factory fix, I hope I'm wrong.
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