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Unread 12-08-2008, 02:16 PM   #1
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2000 TJ BUILD help is needed

I have a stock jeep tj for now besides new rims and and half top,
for christmas my dad is having the sound system done
but i wanted to get it lifted and all that fun stuff and i have a semi layout of what i want to do i just wondering if i could get some opinions and poniters since im new to this.
ill keep pictures coming but it will prolly be a slow build seeing as im almost 16 and no job yet.

i wanted to get the Rough Country 2.5 inch suspension lift and a 1 or 2 inch body lift with the steering stabilizer

is there anyting elsei should get? also what are good tires for on and off roading? any help would be greatly apriciated. o and how do i put pictures on (i feel stupid)






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Unread 12-08-2008, 02:23 PM   #2
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Start searching the forum, and start saving your money once you get some sort of income. Think of where you want you Jeep to be in the end, capabilities, looks, function, etc. And start from there.
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Unread 12-08-2008, 02:44 PM   #3
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With that 2.5" lift and a 1" body lift you could easily run 32" tires and maybe 33s. Also you wont need all the extras that bigger lifts do to run right.

Most people think a 2" BL or bigger looks kinda goofy, and I agree. Look for some pics for yourself.

The best all around tire I've ever owned was a BFG All Terrain. They last at least 40,000 miles on the road and are amazing on sand and snow. Not the best in mud though, it's a trade off. I also used to have Goodyear MT/R's but they are a bit pricey.

I'd say that on a budget for you, that is the best lift option. Not much more $$ than spacers and much better. And those All Terrains I recommend will last you until you can afford bigger and badder mud tires.

Also, figure out what your gear ratio is. There should be a tag on the rear axle differential that says something like 3 07 or 3 55 or 3 73.

3.73 is the best for jumping to a 31 or 32" tire.
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Unread 12-08-2008, 03:04 PM   #4
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a 2 inch BL IMO looks goofy, but its your jeep. i would suggest the RC 2.5 and a 1" BL. x2 on what krawler said about the BFG all terrains. i ran them for 2 years straight on the road and the trail and i just replaced them. great tires for a daily driver jeep. gearing makes a huge difference and if you have anything lower than 3.73 you might want to consider regearing with adding new big tires (anything over a 31). search around for lifts that will fit you right. and also figure out what you want to use this jeep for mainly. do you want a jeep that is superb off road but with some on road capabilities, or is it mainly for looks.
and you need 50 minimum posts to post up pics.
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Unread 12-08-2008, 06:34 PM   #5
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i have put new pics up in my profile
what size bfg all terrains would i run and are the mt/r's any better
where on the thing will it say ther 3.73 or whatnot
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Unread 12-08-2008, 08:09 PM   #6
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Ok, well I see you have a 4 cylinder. They used to come with 4.11s but may be 3.73s. Either way I wouldn't go over 31" tires with that engine. 32s would be pushing it. It looks like you have wider than stock wheels though, which would be beneficial for a 32x11.50 tire.

The MT/Rs are only better in mud and rocks but worse on the road. They are more money and wear faster.

As for the tag for the gears.
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Unread 12-09-2008, 07:47 AM   #7
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i was looking through the documentation on things my dad has done for the jeep and the wheels are 15x7 pacer wheels, i dont know the exact model because the website didnt say it had a model name. but how do i know if the tires fit the rims,
Would it look bad if i powder coated the rims? and how much does that cost, ive gotten a wide range of cost
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Unread 12-09-2008, 08:05 AM   #8
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I found this on rough countrys site http://roughcountry.com/jeep_tj_combo_2.html its the 2.5 suspension with a 1.25 body says it would clear 33's for $390. I ran a 4 banger with 32's on the stock gears, it wasn't as bad as everyone says. I was constantly going from 5th to 4th when there was a small hill on the high way. If you live in town or on flat country the gears would be ok. I now run 4.88's which are a heck of alot better. Start saving now cause you will be constantly putting money into your jeep.
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Unread 12-09-2008, 08:05 AM   #9
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and how much would the bfg cost?
even thou i dont have a job i can get money rather fast i just need to know how much i need.
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Unread 12-09-2008, 08:12 AM   #10
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I agree with what everyone has said above pretty much.

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i wanted to get the Rough Country 2.5 inch suspension lift and a 1 or 2 inch body lift with the steering stabilizer
For a cheap starter lift, the RC 2.5" coil lift is ok (just realize the ride that the shocks that come with that lift ride just like that brand name says: rough). Unless your stock steering stabilizer is leaking, I honestly wouldn't worry about it. I ran my stock SS out to 83,xxx miles with 33x10.5" ATs when it finally started to leak when I upgraded it to an OME. I would also consider the REBB (Rubican Express 2" Budget Boost (coil spacers)).

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is there anyting elsei should get? also what are good tires for on and off roading? any help would be greatly apriciated. o and how do i put pictures on (i feel stupid)
Other than the lift, your pretty much set for getting started. I would say just wheel it! Everyone's needs are different so you need to take everyone's (though well-informed) suggestions with a grain of salt--upgrade your TJ to meet your needs. I would not go any higher than a 1" body lift ... once you get above 1" you run into fan shroud problems, t-case linkage problems, etc. With a 1" BL, realize you'll have to move the holes up 1" for the fan shroud mounting bolts unless you do a 1" motor mount lift to lift the motor up to compensate.

As suggested, the BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KOs are a superb on/off-road tire. It's an aggresive all-terrain tread, so it's deeper "lugs" that a normal AT tread (with more aggressive sidewall lugs), provides plenty off-piste grip (haha, skiers), and is QUIET on-road. All in all, a fantastic tire that most JF members would recommend for a DD (like mine.

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With that 2.5" lift and a 1" body lift you could easily run 32" tires and maybe 33s. Also you wont need all the extras that bigger lifts do to run right.

Most people think a 2" BL or bigger looks kinda goofy, and I agree. Look for some pics for yourself.
Agreed. You can run 33" tires with that RC 2.5" lift + 1" BL with minimal rubbing disconnected (assuming you have the correct amount of backspacing on your wheels).

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The best all around tire I've ever owned was a BFG All Terrain ... Not the best in mud though, it's a trade off.

Also, figure out what your gear ratio is. There should be a tag on the rear axle differential that says something like 3 07 or 3 55 or 3 73.

3.73 is the best for jumping to a 31 or 32" tire.
Stay away from goopy mud in the BFG AT ... not its best friend, as krawler said. For a 4-banger like yours, definitely make sure you have AT LEAST 3.73 gears ... 4.11's would be much better, and like krawler says, I wouldn't go any larger that 32" tires on 4.11's with the 4-banger.

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i was looking through the documentation on things my dad has done for the jeep and the wheels are 15x7 pacer wheels, i dont know the exact model because the website didnt say it had a model name. but how do i know if the tires fit the rims,
Would it look bad if i powder coated the rims? and how much does that cost, ive gotten a wide range of cost
Not sure about power coating costs ... I would say give some local guys a call and just ask. They'll be glad to give you an off-the-top-of-the-head estimate. You can save money if you prep the wheels yourself.

Personally, I'm going to sand mine down nice and smooth and throw some gunmetal-colored paint on. Not dark black (I don't like it when the wheels are darker than the tires), but darker than polished aluminum, LOL.

Here's just a pic of mine (I know, picture hog) with a 2" REBB and Rusty's 1" BL on 33" x 10.5" BFG AT T/A KOs:


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Unread 12-09-2008, 08:14 AM   #11
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and how much would the bfg cost?
even thou i dont have a job i can get money rather fast i just need to know how much i need.
For five 33" x 10.5" BFG AT T/A KOs mounted, balanced, and aligned I paid about $800. Wider 33's (11.5" or 12.5") will cost more.
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Unread 12-09-2008, 08:17 AM   #12
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i think i was gonna go with 31 or 32, but i dont know how to know if they fit the rim i have, i kinda wnated to keep em and get them powder coated
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Unread 12-09-2008, 08:32 AM   #13
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i think i was gonna go with 31 or 32, but i dont know how to know if they fit the rim i have, i kinda wnated to keep em and get them powder coated
They'll fit the rim with no further mods (other than the lift) as long as they're stock width (10.5"). My 33"x 10.5" tires fit with no wheel spacer and do no rub an full lock (only needed to add a single washer to the steering stop).
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Unread 12-09-2008, 12:18 PM   #14
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Like Jeepin said, a 10.5" wide tire with fit your 7" rim nicely. And as for powder coating it would probably be cheaper to just buy new wheels because I've seen people with car wheels get quoted no less than $75 a piece. (but I don't know for sure, so check)

For example: these are $65 each and will prevent any rubbing and allow you to go with bigger tires in the future. http://www.quadratec.com/products/92601_4XX_B_PG.htm

I'd just spray yours myself. I've just seen people sand them up and use playing cards or index cards to wedge between the tire and the wheel to mask it off. Usually turns out pretty good. Powder coating would require you having to remove the old tire(since they bake it at 400*-500*), get it coated, then take it to a shop to get new ones put on. Could get pricey. Check it out.

PS: Did they still use the 2.5L in 2000 and jump to the 2.4L in like '03??
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Unread 12-09-2008, 04:21 PM   #15
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For five 33" x 10.5" BFG AT T/A KOs mounted, balanced, and aligned I paid about $800. Wider 33's (11.5" or 12.5") will cost more.
Add around $120-150 more to the total for the wider tires. (Depending on if you want 4 or 5 tires)
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