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post #76 of 272 Old 07-13-2010, 03:25 PM
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Blaine, I plan on doing the testing over two days. 5 runs each day, with the first two counting as cold runs. That work for you?

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You weren't getting the full braking capability out of those brakes, Just because the tires got noisy, doesn't mean you locked them up. Also you have to come to a complete stop for it to count, other wise you didn't stop, just ask any cop.

You might want to bleed your master cylinder like you know you've needed to do for the last 9 months, putting EBC pads and Centric rotors on it doesn't make that go away.
I like how you act like I have never done this before Rod. Every time my tires/brakes come off I test the brakes. Every time. I'm aware the master needs bled, I'm also aware that I have plenty of pedal to feel safe on or off road. And i am well aware of what a full stop is, and when my tires lock up. I'm pretty sure that there us no one better versed in how my jeep drives than myself. Do not attempt to negate what it is that I'm attempting. Sure it will not be the most accurate since there is some squish to the pedal, but it will be much closer than comparing my customized jeep to some regular tj on 35's and stock brakes.

Thanks for playing.

I have two parking cones and a 100 ft tape ready to go. I'll post results tomorrow.


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Stupid iPhone.

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a few minutes of design work, a few hours of machine time, and you wind up with this. What is it?




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A few HOURS of machine time?.........you need a more efficient machinist
That includes programming and a few copies. If you can do that we'll send it you way!

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That includes programming and a few copies. If you can do that we'll send it you way!
I see: a center drill, two (?) drills, a 1/4" EM, a chamfer mill, 2 ops and a set up plate with 4 tapped holes. I guess with SU and programming a couple hours is about right. I hope the cycle time is 10 to 20 minutes and not hours.
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I see: a center drill, two (?) drills, a 1/4" EM, a chamfer mill, 2 ops and a set up plate with 4 tapped holes. I guess with SU and programming a couple hours is about right. I hope the cycle time is 10 to 20 minutes and not hours.
Yeah... I could see it taking about that long, seeing how small the end mill he used was. Probably would've gone faster with a larger one, but there might've been a reason he didn't want to change tooling.

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Yeah... I could see it taking about that long, seeing how small the end mill he used was. Probably would've gone faster with a larger one, but there might've been a reason he didn't want to change tooling.
maybe he didnt have a bullnose that was larger. although i think i would invest in one with a larger radius.
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The best you will be able to get is an average of 5 50-0 stops before you overheat the pads and rotors and start skewing things out of whack.

And no, brake physics do not surprise me at all. Folks perceptions of distance very often surprise me when they are accurate.

If you do back to back stops with something like a cone, mailbox, or fence post marking your initial application of the brakes to take the reaction time out of the equation, I'll be very surprised if you can get 5 stops that all end within the length of a Jeep bumper to bumper or about 13'.

If you can get an average of right at 100' from 50-0 I'll be astounded.

To give you a comparison, the Z06 everyone is talking about is about 1/2 the average stopping distance from 60-0 of 170 feet. That's in a vehicle with a very low COG, low weight transfer, large grippy tires, and huge brakes.

Good luck, I'm really looking forward to your results.
I already called Blaine, and I wasn't going to post, since there are so many e-tards out there who want to try to flame people, but I figure there are still some people here who are intelligent enough to see past the idiots. Here's what the results of day one was. I'll do them again tomorrow, same time, same way.

For reference, last time I weighed my Jeep, it was 4850lbs. I'll weigh it again tomorrow when I'm in town since I've done a few things since then. I'm running JK Rubicon axles with stock JK calipers, centric premium rotors/ebc yellowstuff pads in the front, stock JK pads/rotors in the back. I'm running 35x12.50 Pitbull Rocker Radials. I did this with my spare in the back and with as close to a full tank of gas as I cared to manage. I doubt a gallon (if that) will matter that much.

Using a stationary object (gas line vent), my wife and I measured 100' and set a cone. For each of 5 runs, I approached at a steady 60mph until reaching the starting point, then I stood on the brakes. My tires barely locked up, in fact, they only really locked up at the very end of each run. At any rate, we measured from the cone marking 100' in either direction that was needed.

Run 1: 149' (Cold)
Run 2: 136' (Cold)
Run 3: 99'
Run 4: 93'
Run 5: 89'

Average of 113.2'

As I said, I'll post tomorrow accordingly.

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Oh, and once I bleed my master cylinder, I'll do it again if anyone is interested. I'm sure it will only improve.

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"LCOG" isn't cheap and it certainly isn't easy. If you think so, you are doing it wrong. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, don't label your build "LCOG". You are just a cheap ******bag.

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I see: a center drill, two (?) drills, a 1/4" EM, a chamfer mill, 2 ops and a set up plate with 4 tapped holes. I guess with SU and programming a couple hours is about right. I hope the cycle time is 10 to 20 minutes and not hours.
Pick it apart all you like, the hours reference was more about the fact that I dropped off the parts on Thursday Morning about 10 am and after a short discussion over and about what I needed, I left. I got a call the next day at noon telling me they were done and the only reason I didn't pick up 3 more sets is because they had no more material.

I didn't drop off a drawing, I dropped off a knuckle, caliper/bracket, unit bearing and rotor with an air pressure line adapter. We clamped the caliper in place, oriented it for the high point on the bleed screw and THEN he started generating the program and drawing in CAD to make the part. If you can do all that in a couple of hours, we really need to talk.

As far as the FEW MINUTES of design time, that's based on 100's and 100's of hours of me designing brake kits and adapting them onto knuckles they were never supposed to be on. Sure it's a few minutes after you've done 20 or 30 different versions, but the first one was long and difficult to get there. Now I can do them in my sleep, but it wasn't always this easy.

My turn around time was slightly more than 24 hours, if you can consistently beat or equal that, send me some contact info and we'll hook you up. Oh, I needed some extended swaybar links for the Savvy Unlimited. I called him at 5 last evening, asked for a pair of 7.5" links, 3/4" 304 or 308 hex bar stock, 1/2-20 RH RH, and got a call at 10 this AM telling me they were done. They are now installed on the rig.


Besides all that, when was the last time you saw an adapter with that many offsets and the spacers all in one piece?

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What was the idea behind making these aluminum? Corrosion resistance?

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What was the idea behind making these aluminum? Corrosion resistance?
It was the right material for the job. Steel takes way too long to machine if you're trying to do it in one piece.

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It was the right material for the job. Steel takes way too long to machine if you're trying to do it in one piece.
I imagine the heat dissipating properties of aluminum wouldn't be a bad thing either.

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I imagine the heat dissipating properties of aluminum wouldn't be a bad thing either.
Heat dissipation in that area is not needed and any benefit would be less than negligible.

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Lol, yeah now that I think about it, it wouldn't really matter.

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