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Unread 11-07-2013, 10:24 PM   #31
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RE-read your post twice. What is the rear measurement on yours?

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Unread 11-07-2013, 10:28 PM   #32
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22" at the rear, mine had the itty bitty GM151, I bet that is part of the reason the front is lower.

It rides pretty crappy on anything but the smoothest road. It feels almost like there is no suspension travel on choppy roads, it bobs rapidly up and down.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 10:53 PM   #33
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So 22" on yours at the rear plus 4".....


I 100% agree with what Matt said. Longer brake lines, a worse ride because of the arch of the 4" springs, and a dropped pitman arm.

If it were me, I'd drop it back on the tires, level the front with the rear, take a measurement at the front bumper and jack the Jeep up 4.5" higher see how it looks.

I also don't remember in any of the adds for springs , any difference for a 151. Matt also has a V8 which is 150#'s heavier than the 258.

The '05 rubicon I have with the stock "E" rated tires (OEM air pressure of 30 psi.) doesn't ride any better than the DD I have with the worn springs and 31" "C" rated tires with 24 lbs. of air. And the Rubicon is coil springs.



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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 10:59 PM   #34
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In all honestly I think the only way to see the difference in ride quality would be to assemble 5 or 6 difference jeeps and drive them on the same road.

Still staying with the 2.5"

I should have taken you and Jim for a ride in the Rubicon.

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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 11:24 PM   #35
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So in retrospect, you should have driven your CJ to Jim's house. :-). And I'd have done the same with the DD. OMG 10 mpg, for 342 miles x $3.70/gallon. Plus the cost of ear plugs. Add in the AM radio with limited stations.

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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
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Unread 11-08-2013, 05:37 AM   #36
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Bill, if Matt took the 2.5" lift off, I would think the rockers would be about 19.5" off the ground, correct?
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Unread 11-08-2013, 05:51 AM   #37
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Dave and Bill,

My measurements were taken with the hardtop on, and a 8274 winch on the front. Without that stuff, it sits about 1/2" higher. Also, my springs have settled about 1/4" from when I put them on 2.5 years ago.

To Bill's point, I think ride quality has a LOT to do with the type of springs you buy. My ride was remarkably smoother after installing the OME YJ springs, compared to the worn out stock suspension. I noticed it most on the washboarded dirt roads around here. Before the new suspension, it felt like my CJ was going to rattle apart on that stuff, and it was all over the road unless I slowed way down. Now, I can cruise over the washboard at a decent speed, comfortably.

It is true what they say about the YJ springs. They are the cat's meow.

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Unread 11-08-2013, 06:10 AM   #38
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I am pretty sure I will stick to 2.5" or maybe 3" depending on the manufacturer, I am also leaning heavily to using YJ springs.
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Unread 11-08-2013, 06:33 AM   #39
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Dave,

Here's how mine looks, today, with her winter attire and about 12K on the new suspension and tires. My measurements were taken in this condition.

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Unread 11-12-2013, 11:19 AM   #40
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Jeez, that garage looks cleaner than my kitchen. The Jeep's lookin' good!
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