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Unread 07-16-2013, 12:29 AM   #31
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put more fluid in it,6quarts is not enough.

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Unread 07-16-2013, 03:02 AM   #32
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I guess I would like more input on how much fluid I should put in. The manual says the capacity is 4 quarts, I dont think this includes the torque converter. The dipstick reads that its full and I'm at six. Somebody said eleven quarts. I dont think eleven would even fit. I was always told that the fluid level should be at the pan gasket. I'm assuming that is after it has ran for a while and is off.
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Unread 07-16-2013, 05:52 AM   #33
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What manual are you using?

Here are some capacities for transmissions.
GM TH350, 10.5 qts.
The tranny in my '02 F350 Ford, 19 qts

A torque converter will hold 3 to 4 qts. on the adverage.

My '78 owners manual states 11 qts on a rebuild, 5 qts on a fluid change.

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The next time you start the Jeep, put it in netural and let is sit and idle for 30 or so seconds, then put the transmission in park and check the fluid level. Just in case, you do have the engine running when checking the fluid level, correct.
Also measure your dip stick, from the little cap to the full mark. Then post the number. I'll compare it with mine.

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Unread 07-16-2013, 06:17 AM   #34
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pull the return line off the trans

and put it in a one gallon jug under the jeep, have someone start the jeep and verify you have trans fluid at good volume, fill the jug 2/3 full to prevent sucking air into the pump. the 3qts should take approx 20 sec, this will verify pump function not internal pressure. im just trying to give you some "no tools" method of trying to isolate the problem. im pretty sure a converter holds at least 3 qts. it sounds to me like the pump isnt working?.
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Unread 07-16-2013, 06:24 AM   #35
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Time for a question, when you put the tranny back in, did you put the torque converter on the tranny and were certain the "ears" of the Converter were engaged with the pump? Or did you put the converter on the flexplate and then install the tranny?

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Unread 07-17-2013, 09:29 AM   #36
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Time for a question, when you put the tranny back in, did you put the torque converter on the tranny and were certain the "ears" of the Converter were engaged with the pump? Or did you put the converter on the flexplate and then install the tranny?

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Ouch...

I'm thinking the 4qts the manual you are using is referring to a filter/ fluid change, which is always less than a full fill amount after a rebuild.
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Unread 07-17-2013, 12:09 PM   #37
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ok, a new update.
-I was using a haynes manual that said capacity - 4 quarts
-my dipstick is 27.75" from the top of the cap that rests on the tube to the "full hot" line.
- Yesterday I put five more quarts of trans fluid in it to total 11 qts. I checked the fluid and it reads about .5 pints over full. I put it in gear and it actually moves like a real car. when you put it in gear it lunges forward and it actually starts to roll when you let off the brake. I was pretty happy but felt a little like a dumb *** being that that was the problem. I havn't had time to test drive it yet.
-why did the dipstick read in the middle of the cross hatch pattern with only 6 qts in it and it reads .5 pints over full with 11 qts in it? Is it possible that with only 6 qts the pump wasnt picking any fluid up?
-The fluid was slightly airated. Not frothy but there was definitly air bubbles. Is this a reason for concern? Will they possibly go away after driving it a while?
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Unread 07-17-2013, 01:58 PM   #38
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My dip stick measures 25.750" from the top of the cap to the full mark.

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I do believe its the original stick to the Jeep.
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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
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Unread 07-17-2013, 03:17 PM   #39
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My TH400 has the word Hydromatic stamped into it, just above the full mark.Somewhere in my collection of jeep parts I have another stick, it has the same word. Not likely I could find it though.
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1979 J20
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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 07-18-2013, 02:03 AM   #40
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I would suggest measuring the dipstick tube from where it is in the transmission to the top of the tube. If someone swapped transmissions or tubes, that may affect the dipstick length. Measure the tribe, following the curves to get the full length..
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Unread 11-02-2013, 03:21 AM   #41
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Can anyone tell me how far into the tranny pan the dipstick should be? Or maybe I should ask how far beyond the end of the tube should the dipstick be? I'm thinking mine might be too short. It only sticks out about a half inch at absolute most. I'm thinking Im getting a false reading. I should have taken a picture before I put the pan back on but unfortunately I did not. BTW. I am referring to the TH400 not the T5 on my profile. Thanks!
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Unread 11-02-2013, 07:38 AM   #42
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Can anyone tell me how far into the tranny pan the dipstick should be? Or maybe I should ask how far beyond the end of the tube should the dipstick be? I'm thinking mine might be too short. It only sticks out about a half inch at absolute most. I'm thinking Im getting a false reading. I should have taken a picture before I put the pan back on but unfortunately I did not. BTW. I am referring to the TH400 not the T5 on my profile. Thanks!
1.125"
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It should look just like this one.

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This is with the stick pushed in until the "cap" is seated on the tube.
The tube measures 28.250" end to end.

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1979 J20
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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
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Unread 11-02-2013, 11:43 AM   #43
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Hey Bill,

Thanks for the response. After seeing your pic. I think I might be ok. I suppose it could have been an inch. Plus, I just checked and my stick does say hydromatic. I was thinking I might not have the OE tube because when I got the vehicle, the tube was not mounted/braced and I had to "manipulate" the bracket to line it up with the bell housing. So now, I think I'm ok in regards to the dipstick but I've got bigger problems.

I started a build thread for a 76 J20 if anyone is interested. I'm starting it with tranny problems.

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