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Unread 02-25-2008, 06:09 PM   #61
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If my jeep has the shims in the front and rear do i need to remove the ones in the rear?

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Unread 02-26-2008, 10:58 AM   #62
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Do you have a lift? Have you measured your castor? Is your jeep handling poorly? Why do you want to remove them?
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Unread 02-27-2008, 04:17 PM   #63
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i do have a lift

i measured my castor and it seems to be correct unless i measured at the wrong location or something

handles poorly lots of play in the steering

i dont want to remove them unless it is affecting the steering
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Unread 03-04-2008, 09:43 PM   #64
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Enjoyed your post and have found very helpfull. My question is.
I have a 85 with no modifications to the suspenion, I have measured the caster at 4 deg, The wheel will begin to return but will not center. I have dissconnected the arm on the pittmin. It seems hard to turn the wheels (turning by the tire out side) (both off the ground) Is it normal to require both arms with a firm footing to turn both wheels from stop to stop. If it is how much caster angle can be added 6 deg total or more with out making steering harder. The PO says it has been darty since he bought it at 9k miles now has 19k miles.
At hwy speeds it drives nice but I dont drive on hwy much, the problem shows itself at speeds under 50mph with slight wheel movements making it dart. on a smooth road you can let the wheel go and it will go straight to the end of the earth. I have measured the tow and even moved it as much as 1/4 on 31" tires with no change.
It acts to like the ball joints are tight and the steering wheel movement has to overcome to force needed to move the ball joints springing past intended movement by the steering wheel. I suspect tight ball joints are not the normal problem seen but this jeep has seen most of its life in the garage.
Part two; I had a 79 7 and dont remember a tortion bar, and a very differant driving jeep. I have read warning about removing the bar on this forum but how do the later mods ride and drive with bar removed. Was the bar installed because of the bad press ( yahoos turning them over) Your thoughts please Jim
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Unread 03-07-2008, 09:10 PM   #65
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what would you do

my cj has a 4" spring lift and all it did was change the drive line angles the caster angle should be the same. because the axles drop stright down .
i was told that my problem can be fixed by a drop pitman arm and spring steer kit ??? what do you think will fix the problem
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Unread 03-08-2008, 10:48 AM   #66
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jim

new guy today. hello to all.

mine: 72 cj-5, 350 cid, fiberglass body, 2.5 inch bds suspension.

Considering front swap to coils. The ride is HORRIBLE now. And was just as bad with the old springs.

I've been looking for a kit for the front with no luck. I think I can keep the rears and reverse the shackles.

I'm not new to the truck - I've owned it for twenty years. I want to drive it this summer but can't afford brain surgery from the ride.

Any input would be great. If I can assist with anything please ask. Very mechanical person also hvac and electrician 25 years. Ask away!
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Unread 03-08-2008, 12:41 PM   #67
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new guy today. hello to all.

mine: 72 cj-5, 350 cid, fiberglass body, 2.5 inch bds suspension.

Considering front swap to coils. The ride is HORRIBLE now. And was just as bad with the old springs.

I've been looking for a kit for the front with no luck. I think I can keep the rears and reverse the shackles.

I'm not new to the truck - I've owned it for twenty years. I want to drive it this summer but can't afford brain surgery from the ride.

Any input would be great. If I can assist with anything please ask. Very mechanical person also hvac and electrician 25 years. Ask away!
How long have you had the BDS springs? Have you had a chance to take them off road and really flex them? My guess is that with the fibreglass tub, your Jeep can be on the light side for the spring rate. Do you have your spare tire mounted on the back? Just curious because just having the weight of the spare hanging off the back can make a noticeable difference.
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Unread 03-09-2008, 09:11 PM   #68
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My steering shaft has some play in it. Is that normal? When I grab it and shake it, both ends have play in them.
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Unread 03-10-2008, 04:00 PM   #69
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would this apply to a shackle lift as well?
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Unread 03-10-2008, 05:24 PM   #70
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My steering shaft has some play in it. Is that normal? When I grab it and shake it, both ends have play in them.
I just went and shook mine. It was very tight. The ends barely moved.
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Unread 03-10-2008, 06:55 PM   #71
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I just went and shook mine. It was very tight. The ends barely moved.
yikes. I didn't want to hear that. mine has about a 1/16 to 1/8" play at both ends.

I also noticed no shims in the front. need to figure out this caster angle thing.
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Unread 03-11-2008, 11:16 AM   #72
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yikes. I didn't want to hear that. mine has about a 1/16 to 1/8" play at both ends.

I also noticed no shims in the front. need to figure out this caster angle thing.
I had about 1/16 play at either end .
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Unread 03-13-2008, 07:28 AM   #73
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yikes. I didn't want to hear that. mine has about a 1/16 to 1/8" play at both ends.

I also noticed no shims in the front. need to figure out this caster angle thing.
Measured the caster last night at our monthly meeting. It was at 6 degrees.

The movement in the steering shaft is more like 1/4" of movement on both ends. I hear that the end at the steering box isn't tough to fix, but the other end requires the steering column be removed. So...new tools...and a lot more reading.

edit: checked the balljoints and all linkage. everything seems swell but that shaft.

Should I go Borgeson or Flaming River?
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Unread 03-14-2008, 10:04 AM   #74
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i finally got around to checking mine. after looking at the pic on the 1st page, the needle on mine is on the opposite side of 0. it's at about 4 or 5 degrees but i'm not sure if it's positive or negative. can anyone tell me? you can also see the angle of the front diff a little.





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Unread 03-14-2008, 12:03 PM   #75
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i finally got around to checking mine. after looking at the pic on the 1st page, the needle on mine is on the opposite side of 0. it's at about 4 or 5 degrees but i'm not sure if it's positive or negative. can anyone tell me? you can also see the angle of the front diff a little.
That's a positive caster angle - you are set correctly with the top angled backward over the bottom ball joint.

My pick was of the left side, yours is of the right side.

You should be checking this with the axle tubes sitting on the jack stands at normal height. Not with the frame on jack stands.
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