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Unread 02-14-2011, 11:30 AM   #286
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yes, it is preset to 6 degrees on later (ex. 84-86) CJs, but my experience with radials has been good with 4 degrees.

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Unread 02-14-2011, 11:35 AM   #287
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I'm sorry; I thought this is all about correcting the caster!
We only talked about the normal "spring under" set-up. How do you correct the caster when the springs are on top of the axle? Do the shims go in with the thick end facing toward the back of the vehicle instead of the front?
In a spring over setup the 'correct' way would be to cut and rotate the inner C's, but most people probably do not do this.
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Unread 02-14-2011, 11:57 AM   #288
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from the 84-86 FSM, but remember this is for a SUA
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Unread 03-08-2011, 09:38 AM   #289
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The PO of my jeep did a spring over axle conversion. I am thinking of going back to spring under axle. Are there any specific things I would need to replace? for example the drive shaft? I was thinking of replacing the springs, shackles, shocks as well.

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Unread 05-02-2011, 12:47 PM   #290
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Finally got my shims that were on back order.

I plan on installing them Wednesday or Thursday when I'm off. I understand they need bolted to the spring pack using the center bolt. I see right now I only have about 1/4" excess bolt and it looks lime I'll need something longer.

Can I just get another bolt (grade 8) at the hardware store? If for some reason I need a special bolt I'd like to order it so I have it.

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Unread 05-02-2011, 12:52 PM   #291
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I got mine at NAPA. They only had 350 something in stock.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 12:54 PM   #292
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I got mine at NAPA. They only had 350 something in stock.
Thanks wise guy! Haha
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Unread 05-02-2011, 02:09 PM   #293
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Can I just get another bolt (grade 8) at the hardware store? If for some reason I need a special bolt I'd like to order it so I have it.
If you look at the center bolt, you may notice that it may not actually be a traditional bolt. If it is, you really don't want it to be. The proper way to do this is to get another center bolt of the proper length and proper head (or "pin") diameter to match the hole in your death shims from your local spring shop.

Using regular hex-head bolts in round holes is just one more way which people cause friction and material wear in a shim stack up that leads to suspension instability. The sharp points on the hex-head corners will enlarge or oval the shim hole over time and allow the axle to displace from the leaf pack.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 02:27 PM   #294
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If you look at the center bolt, you may notice that it may not actually be a traditional bolt. If it is, you really don't want it to be. The proper way to do this is to get another center bolt of the proper length and proper head (or "pin") diameter to match the hole in your death shims from your local spring shop.

Using regular hex-head bolts in round holes is just one more way which people cause friction and material wear in a shim stack up that leads to suspension instability. The sharp points on the hex-head corners will enlarge or oval the shim hole over time and allow the axle to displace from the leaf pack.
I'll pay attention to that, thanks. Maybe carriage bolt? Zip ties may actually work best in fastening my death shims though.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 11:29 PM   #295
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I'll pay attention to that, thanks. Maybe carriage bolt? Zip ties may actually work best in fastening my death shims though.
The zip-tie sarcasm is obvious, but I can't tell whether you are serious about the carriage bolt. Carriage bolts have a flat head, defeating one of the primary purposes that the center bolt has. Besides keeping the leaf pack together, your center bolt is designed to be a 4-way locator between the axle perch and the leaf pack in the fore/aft and cross-car directions. Ideally, the center bolt head should be a light press fit (tight enough to tap on) to the hole in the shim. Same for the shim peg to the hole in the axle perch. Any slack at these interfaces will result in movement over time no matter how tight you make the u-bolts.

Real center bolts with the correct heads are $3-$5 each at your local shop, so it isn't really worth trying to find a substitute that might end up costing more and yet be less effective. Bring the leaf packs with you to the spring shop along with a couple more bucks and they'll probably zip them in for you on the spot since they have all the right clamps and fixtures sitting. Last time I did a pair, it was like $20 (bolts included) and 15 minutes at a non-franchise type of place. Make sure you indicate which side of the pack you need the center bolt heads on.
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Unread 05-03-2011, 05:08 AM   #296
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PP thank you. I didn't realize the bolts played so many roles. Now I have to find a spring shop nearby. I don't believe there are any specialty shops near but I'm sure certain garages have experience with this.

And the zip tie remark was my immature come back for the death shim remark. The last thing I want to bring back up is the opinion some have of shims.

Thanks again.
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No offense taken by any means. I think we all know you can probably build an entire Jeep with zip-ties and duct tape.
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Unread 05-05-2011, 07:03 PM   #298
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Well today I proved to myself just how dumb I can be sometimes.

So I go about preparing to install my shims. For some reason it made sense to me that the shim would simply be sandwiched between the top of the spring pack and the axle perch. I realized the hole in my Warrior shims was much smaller than the diameter of the HEAD of the pin. I read that the shims often have to be drill out to use them so I proceed to drill the center hole out to 1/2".

As I begin sandwiching everything back together I realize I lost most of the depth the pin head penetrates into the perch. I felt this was unsafe so the wheels began to turn.

I then realized I was supposed to remove the pin from the spring pack, place the shim on top then place the pin through it all where it would rest in the recessed flat portion of the spring. Ahhhh! How could I be so careless.

So now I need new shims and pins that are about 1/4", atleast, longer. I'm going to call Tom Wood's this time so I don't have to wait on back-order from the previous supplier.

Sorry to rant but hopefully thus stops someone from ruining a set of shims like I did.
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Unread 05-06-2011, 09:01 AM   #299
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I just completed my FREE SOA and I cant keep it under control....
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I think I'm going to need a massive Z bar.
But on the bright side it has a front tow hitch that doubles as a lift block
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Unread 05-06-2011, 10:28 AM   #300
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Shull, easy mistake to make. When I referred to getting mine at NAPA I meant a centering pin, not a grade 8 bolt. A spring shop will probably have a better selection but there is not one close to where I live. You never mentioned whether your degree shim was steel or aluminum. Most experienced folks highly recommend steel.
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