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Unread 12-26-2009, 08:12 AM   #16
Mike Romain
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I know NOTHING about this crap, that's why I run like 4 different programs to get rid of this crap automatically.

SO!
What are the ramifications of these things?
(Besides tracking my web movements?)
They slow you down radically sometimes. Like this quantserve cookie. quantserve seems to be having bandwidth issues, so the computer hangs while waiting for the connection to report your browsing.

Then figure you have 500-1500+ of the same things in there 'all' phoning home every time you click on something and it can really bog down an internet connection.

I am now just telling my computer to delete these cookies when I close down my internet browser. It means I have to manually log back in, but Linux is nice and remembers the log in and pass word so I only have to type the first letter of my user name.

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Unread 12-26-2009, 09:16 AM   #17
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Mike, since we now know you run Linux, try downloading this:

Download anti virus for Linux and Windows, anti spam, recovery software tools

We use McAfee 8.5 at work and I use this to clean those machines 4 to 5 times a month
I don't have anything loading into my computer. I use a web based mailserver at hotmail so don't really need to slow down things by having everything scanned. Firefox also has an option to clean itself after each use which is nice. When I ran windoze, those virus scanners were painfully slow but really needed.

I am also on a slow 3G wireless connection normally so don't need more things slowing it down.
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89 YJ Renegade. BBD Carbed 4.0 HO. Locked front and rear with 33x9.5 BFG AT's
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Unread 03-24-2010, 02:20 PM   #18
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Misinformation

There was so much bad information in this thread I had to sign-up just to post the reality.

Firstly, cookies aren't malicious. They aren't self-duplicating, they don't execute any code, they don't dial-up anyone, and they do not slow down your computer or internet activity. Cookies are tiny, tiny, tiny, little files of 4kB. Even under a modem connection, it will take around a second to upload. A modem downloads at 7kB per second, your cable Internet connection may be 10,240kB per second. Your hard drive writes the cookie faster than your blink.

When you visit a website that uses cookies, it asks your browser to upload the cookie stored on your computer for the site you're visiting. If no such cookie exists, your browser is asked to create one. That particular cookie will ONLY be uploaded when that server requests it. In other words, a cookie from MSN will sit on your computer completely unaccessed while you visit your ESPN or Yahoo sites. Only when you visit that MSN site again will your browser be requested to upload it.

Finally, bear in mind that when you visit a site you are regularly downloading and uploading information. Web pages themselves are usually 50-200kB (12-50 times larger than the cookie), not including pictures or other media content on the page that will be much larger. When you click to view another page on the site you send packets of information to the site, who in turn sends packets back, and after a brief discussion the page is downloaded and appears on your browser.

You can argue that cookies invade your privacy, and as such you may not want a web page to know when you last visited it or what you did while you were there. I don't personally feel that way, but it's a valid criticism. You shouldn't however be remotely worried about cookies slowing down your Internet experience or being dangerous in any way, it's a complete myth.
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Unread 03-25-2010, 07:13 AM   #19
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You can argue that cookies invade your privacy, and as such you may not want a web page to know when you last visited it or what you did while you were there. I don't personally feel that way, but it's a valid criticism. You shouldn't however be remotely worried about cookies slowing down your Internet experience or being dangerous in any way, it's a complete myth.
Haven't been around computers much eh? Look up 'tracking cookies'.
HTTP cookie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then look up spyware: Spyware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Check adware, and on and on and on.

I work as a tech and for some strange reason when I remove all the cookies whether spyware cookies or not, the computers magically speed up. Strange eh.

Also the home server of this particular cookie maker, Quantserve has 'serious' bandwidth issues.

This has no bearing on if it is a single session cookie or a tracking cookie.

This basically means they have too many cookies out there all 'calling home' at once causing a log jam making the pages hang up while waiting their turn to report in. THIS SLOWS DOWN COMPUTERS.

My computer shows me what is loading and when this Forum, jeepforum hangs up, it is always waiting for a response from Quantserve.

Here is the description of the cookie:

Name: mc
Content: 1262176984-59848811-10375792
Domain: .quantserve.com
Path: /
Send For: Any type of connection
Expires: Sat 28 Dec 2019 08:43:04 AM AST

Note the 'send for' category..... AND the expiry date....

Here is more about them, it would seem I am not the only one pissed about the delay they cause:

http://www.silverfishlongboarding.co...-unusable.html
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/gaia...-1/t.26821991/
http://www.securemost.com/support/rm_quantserve.com.htm
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89 YJ Renegade. BBD Carbed 4.0 HO. Locked front and rear with 33x9.5 BFG AT's
Some Canadian Bush Jeep Runs and Build Photos: http://mikeromainjeeptrips.shutterfly.com (10 new albums added Sept 16/10)

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Unread 03-25-2010, 04:27 PM   #20
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Haven't been around computers much eh? Look up 'tracking cookies'.
HTTP cookie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There was no reason to be rude and patronizing. Much of this thread and the popular opinion of cookies are that they're bad and scary, but the reality doesn't match the hype. I wasn't attacking you, and you should have shown more respect.

My post was written to clarify the nature of cookies which are neither malicious nor dangerous. I accept that Quantserve may be a very slow server. My understanding is that Internet browsers either have a very small timeout on cookies, or else the page loads regardless of their delay - in the same way a web page will load while it waits for pictures or other media content to finish downloading.

Each host is allowed 50 cookies per computer at maximum with Firefox by default, and I believe it's 40 for IE if I remember correctly. As I said originally, cookies can be seen as a form of spyware in that they are used to track your Internet behavior, but in a non-malicious way. I.e. your bank website can't track the porn sites you've visited, and your favorite forums don't know what wiki pages you just went to. Incidentally Quantserve uses cookies under 100 bytes.

"Send For: Any type of connection" means the cookie is delivered whether you are connected to Quantserve normally or encrypted. It does not mean it communicates with Quantserve regardless of where you are on the Internet.

Finally, the homepage of jeepforum has this file in the source: http://edge.quantserve.com/quant.js (click the link to see the content of it). The cause of your problems will be something in the code, not the cookie itself. Look here for clues: Steve Sounders.

If all your Internet activity sped up after you deleted your cookies, that tells me either your cache is set too large (either in file numbers or total size), or the majority of your Internet activity happens to bring you in regular contact with Quantserve, or you have a problem with JS (Noscript etc).
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