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Unread 01-30-2013, 11:58 PM   #11341
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I want to do that bar behind my rear seats like that so that I can use 4-point harnesses! Anyone else ever done that for a daily driver/weekend wheeler???
There is only one (that I know of) 4 point (its actually a 3 but it works like a 4) harness that is DOT approved. It is the Schrott auto controll III

I hope to have some some day

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Unread 01-31-2013, 07:10 AM   #11342
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There is only one (that I know of) 4 point (its actually a 3 but it works like a 4) harness that is DOT approved. It is the Schrott auto controll III

I hope to have some some day
Do you have that pipe right there? I want to do it but I still have a back seat.. But I don't use my backseat so I'm having a hard time making up my mind:/
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Unread 01-31-2013, 07:12 AM   #11343
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There is only one (that I know of) 4 point (its actually a 3 but it works like a 4) harness that is DOT approved. It is the Schrott auto controll III

I hope to have some some day
I've seen a set of true 4-points and a set of 5-points forsale locally and I didn't want to go with the 5 point cause of the crotch belt on a daily driver.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 11:59 AM   #11344
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Do you have that pipe right there? I want to do it but I still have a back seat.. But I don't use my backseat so I'm having a hard time making up my mind:/
The only way it can be DOT is if you use your original/factory seat belt mounts. So instead of a bar, the auto control's shoulder straps meet behind the seat at an inertia reel like a normal seat belt would have so you can move around. Then a single strap goes from the reel to the back seat's seatbelt mount hence the three point. Best part is, no modification to anything
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Unread 01-31-2013, 01:19 PM   #11345
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I've been pulled over while wearing my 4 points and never been hassled about my belts. It's hard to argue with something that's better than stock. With a latch lock system, you don't have to use the 5th point (crotch strap). I won't use a twist lock system. I've seen them fail to lock with dirt in the mechanism.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 02:31 PM   #11346
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I've been pulled over while wearing my 4 points and never been hassled about my belts. It's hard to argue with something that's better than stock. With a latch lock system, you don't have to use the 5th point (crotch strap). I won't use a twist lock system. I've seen them fail to lock with dirt in the mechanism.
That's what I don't understand.. Why can't it be dot if its safer than stock? Lol I'm probably going to go with what you said.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 03:15 PM   #11347
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That's what I don't understand.. Why can't it be dot if its safer than stock? Lol I'm probably going to go with what you said.
For real, the only reason is because of the mounts. The original mounts have been inspected by DOT and approved. If you took your 4point to a DOT approval person with a proper mounting system, he'd charge you a million bucks and say you are good to go. Hence the reason the one I mentioned is legal.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 03:38 PM   #11348
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As with most 30+ year old vehicles, the original DOT mounts are weakened by rust etc. Not to mention the belts have expired. The webbing and stitching are only good for so long. That is why SFI requires the belts to be replaced every two years.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 03:57 PM   #11349
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As with most 30+ year old vehicles, the original DOT mounts are weakened by rust etc. Not to mention the belts have expired. The webbing and stitching are only good for so long. That is why SFI requires the belts to be replaced every two years.
I didn't say police were reasonable
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I know its not as technical as the rear crossbar, but mine are bolted to reinforced threaded hole in my tub. Ive never had a problem, an im a va state inspector! Ha
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Unread 01-31-2013, 06:03 PM   #11351
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I know its not as technical as the rear crossbar, but mine are bolted to reinforced threaded hole in my tub. Ive never had a problem, an im a va state inspector! Ha
The setup as you have it is dangerous, the reason why is when the belts are bolted to the floor like that in an accident they will pull down on your shoulders as your body goes forward, this will cause a compression injury to the spine and can be fatal. They really need to be bolted in at or above shoulder level.

They would be better off bolted to the top of the roll bar.
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I thought thats what the braces in my mastercrafts were for, it will pull on my seat long before my shoulders, as I see it I could be completley wrong though ha
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Unread 01-31-2013, 06:16 PM   #11354
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Do you have that pipe right there? I want to do it but I still have a back seat.. But I don't use my backseat so I'm having a hard time making up my mind:/
Their is a bar made I think by gen right that bolts to your existing roll bar for you to mount shoulder harness too. This way you can take it in and out by unbolting the roll bar clamp mounting system.
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The setup as you have it is dangerous, the reason why is when the belts are bolted to the floor like that in an accident they will pull down on your shoulders as your body goes forward, this will cause a compression injury to the spine and can be fatal. They really need to be bolted in at or above shoulder level.

They would be better off bolted to the top of the roll bar.
X2 on that.
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