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post #10651 of 22979 Old 12-02-2012, 07:52 AM
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I have hauled Jeeps tied down both ways. I would have to say the best way is to tie the axles down, criss cross. Then, tie down the front and rear bumper to prevent bouncing.

I have hauled a Jeep on a trailer, and when you hit a bump the suspension allowed the Jeep to bounce, almost kicking the trailer off the road.

Suspension bounce=bad.
I feel just the opposite with the suspension flexing on the Jeep, while tied down to the trailer. I have we'll over 10,000 miles of towing my Jeeps on open car haulers, and in a enclosed trailer, 100% of the time with the axles tied down. This was on the twisty turns of 2 lane Missouri roads to running 80mph, on the way west, on the interstate, and the POS roads in Illinois. I've never had a problem with the body of the Jeep moving and trying to take the trailer off the road. If anything, the suspension of the Jeep makes for a smoother ride for the trailer.
I don't feel there is anyway to tie just the body on a jeep and take all the suspension movement out. The Jeep would need to be tied so tight as to contact the bump stops. Anything less, and you will get slack in the straps or chains.
So I agree with KW.

On the stake pocket tie down point. These are what they are for, stakes. Most of the stake pockets i have seen are only 1/8" steel, and only welded on the outside, IMHO, this isnt enough to tie down to. I have reinforced mine with 1/4" x 1.5 steel . I will post pictures tomorrow.

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Well, I received a lot of good feedback about trailering the Jeep. Probably should have started a separate thread for this subject. It seems they are a couple of schools of thought on the subject.

1) Found a lot of trailer supply websites with 10k straps, so I will invest in a set of those.
2) Rethinking the stake pocket tie-down idea. So, either going to put legit tie-downs through the bed in to the frame or reinforce the stake pockets (thanks for the idea, Bill)
3) On actually tying down the Jeep, every Jeep and trailer ride differently depending on weight and suspension flexibility of both the Jeep and trailer. I am thinking of tying to the axles and letting both suspensions operate the way they are designed to and absorb the bumps of the road.

Like a lot of other things, they are more than one way to skin a cat. Thanks for everyone's input. If I have anymore questions (probably will) I will start a new thread to keep this one for its intended purpose.
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Well, I received a lot of good feedback about trailering the Jeep. Probably should have started a separate thread for this subject. It seems they are a couple of schools of thought on the subject.

1) Found a lot of trailer supply websites with 10k straps, so I will invest in a set of those.
2) Rethinking the stake pocket tie-down idea. So, either going to put legit tie-downs through the bed in to the frame or reinforce the stake pockets (thanks for the idea, Bill)
3) On actually tying down the Jeep, every Jeep and trailer ride differently depending on weight and suspension flexibility of both the Jeep and trailer. I am thinking of tying to the axles and letting both suspensions operate the way they are designed to and absorb the bumps of the road.

Like a lot of other things, they are more than one way to skin a cat. Thanks for everyone's input. If I have anymore questions (probably will) I will start a new thread to keep this one for its intended purpose.
Where are you guys finding 10k straps? What width are they? My 2" are only rated 2,250 and my 4" are rated 5,500. You dont have to worry about it but i will get ticketed for improper securement. Im giving knowledge not just what i think. Good luck

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Where are you guys finding 10k straps? What width are they? My 2" are only rated 2,250 and my 4" are rated 5,500. You dont have to worry about it but i will get ticketed for improper securement. Im giving knowledge not just what i think. Good luck

they have 10K 2" straps. I personally deal with Dover Brake, more in stock, I know them personally, and get top knotch service from them. The owner is Paul McCoy, his boy Edwin runs parts, Other boy Matt delivers parts. They also have a truck/trailer repair shop, so they don't just sell parts they actually use what they sell. Call them KW they can hook you up


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they have 10K 2" straps

http://www.redneck-trailer.com/
Ok but it doesnt give the working load limit. They look just like mine and the 4" was 16k with 5,400 working load limit. Im just sayin i wouldnt try to strap 10k with one 2" strap.

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Ok but you need to look a little harder nothing with suspension should be tied down by the frame. If you see it that way on a semi your looking at a rookie. You cant get them tight enough to stop the bounce straps or chains will not live through the jerking. You haul however you want when your luck runs out i will say i told you so. Where did you get 10k straps? My 4" straps are just good for 5500.

gotta agree with my truckin buddy on this, he know his sh|t. I too been working in the trucking industry all my life. It drives me nuts looking at how some "billy big riggers" tie stuff down(or worse, don't tie stuff down) and get away with it. We spend thousands of dollars a year on chains/ binders and tie down straps, 1) to be safe and keep others on the road safe. 2) to meet DOT regulations.

I tie any vehicle I haul down by the axle (criss crossed also), to let the suspension work. If what you are hauling cannot handle a trailer ride , then it should not be drove on the road either.

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Ok but it doesnt give the working load limit. They look just like mine and the 4" was 16k with 5,400 working load limit. Im just sayin i wouldnt try to strap 10k with one 2" strap.

I was sure I seen a 10K strap in there.

I looked at the one in my pickup, and the WLL is 3335"
, but I'd have to look in the catalog for a WLL of 10K.

Let take a look.

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Page k22 I see 10k straps, but I agree it does not give the WLL. I can call tomorrow and ask them if you like. I will be on the road most of the day but will call when I get back to the shop.

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gotta agree with my truckin buddy on this, he know his sh|t. I too been working in the trucking industry all my life. It drives me nuts looking at how some "billy big riggers" tie stuff down(or worse, don't tie stuff down) and get away with it. We spend thousands of dollars a year on chains/ binders and tie down straps, 1) to be safe and keep others on the road safe. 2) to meet DOT regulations.

I tie any vehicle I haul down by the axle (criss crossed also), to let the suspension work. If what you are hauling cannot handle a trailer ride , then it should not be drove on the road either.
This is correct, you tie down from the axle, not any suspended part of a vehical.

On a downward bounce the strap can come unhooked.

DOT requires, by length two straps for the first 8 feet and one more for each additional 10 foot run. In this case three does not make sense, you need four.

DOT does not state if they should be crossed, but some states do require them to be crossed. The should be crossed reguardless.

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Page k22 I see 10k straps, but I agree it does not give the WLL. I can call tomorrow and ask them if you like. I will be on the road most of the day but will call when I get back to the shop.
No thats ok they are the exact straps i have or look exactly like but you know i cant use them for 10k a piece. You right if if cant handle the bounce on a trailer it doesnt need to be on the road. If the jeep bouncing on your trailer is running your trailer off the road maybe you got a cheap trailer or you need to move your jeep forward or back for better balance.

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Ok but it doesnt give the working load limit. They look just like mine and the 4" was 16k with 5,400 working load limit. Im just sayin i wouldnt try to strap 10k with one 2" strap.

No I would not use one for a 10k peice of equipment either. I use four total for a car or jeep on my trailer. We Are required to use g70 transport chains on our equipment. Straps we can use on buckets, small attachments, parts and such.

Actually, take a rubber tired backhoe....for example. We are required to have all four corners tied down (four chains and four binders) then the front loader must have a chain and binder over it, then the rear hoe attachment needs tied down also. Now you see how expensive that gets? Some of the guys use a strap over the hoe and loaders. But the main machine must have four chains and four binders. A 20' transport chain is approx $50 each, a good g70 binder( usa made one) approx $50 each also. Cha ching real fast, times that by over 100 peices of equipment we haul, and that my friends is why your utility bills are so high,

I know KW knows this already, but I posted that for a FYI for the rest of the part time truckers

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This is correct, you tie down from the axle, not any suspended part of a vehical.

On a downward bounce the strap can come unhooked.

DOT requires, by length two straps for the first 8 feet and one more for each additional 10 foot run. In this case three does not make sense, you need four.

DOT does not state if they should be crossed, but some states do require them to be crossed. The should be crossed reguardless.

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The law now states 2 in the first 8' of load and every 4' there after and 2 in the last 8' of load.

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No I would not use one for a 10k peice of equipment either. I use four total for a car or jeep on my trailer. We Are required to use g70 transport chains on our equipment. Straps we can use on buckets, small attachments, parts and such.

Actually, take a rubber tired backhoe....for example. We are required to have all four corners tied down (four chains and four binders) then the front loader must have a chain and binder over it, then the rear hoe attachment needs tied down also. Now you see how expensive that gets? Some of the guys use a strap over the hoe and loaders. But the main machine must have four chains and four binders.

I know KW knows this already, but I posted that for a FYI for the rest of the part time truckers
Lmao...you get my email yet? Its a little late now tho

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This is correct, you tie down from the axle, not any suspended part of a vehical.

On a downward bounce the strap can come unhooked.

DOT requires, by length two straps for the first 8 feet and one more for each additional 10 foot run. In this case three does not make sense, you need four.

DOT does not state if they should be crossed, but some states do require them to be crossed. The should be crossed reguardless.

Ask me how I know

I too found out the hard way, I criss/cross mine because it makes me feel better, not because it is required. I almost lost my race car once, I am a fast learner

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