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Unread 10-26-2002, 07:40 PM   #1
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Welding axles with what rod?

I am planning on installing a Dana 44 on the front of my CJ7 using spring over method. What type of welding rod was used by the members, when welding on the pumpkin? Is it cast steel or cast iron? I am looking at the UTP8 rod for cast iron, using it will have to preheat the iron. What have you guys done.

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Unread 10-26-2002, 11:46 PM   #2
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No need to weld anything to the pumpkin. Just grind the housing itself to be the spring perch. Same thing as what the factory did for the SUA perch.
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Unread 10-27-2002, 02:21 PM   #3
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First thanks for the reply. I have seen only in pictures where the perches were welded. I don't want to grind too much and compromise the strength of the casting. I have been measuring the area to see how much I can mill off.

I only heard of some of the speciality shops cutting and welding on the bottem of the pumkins to make a high clearance axle like the Dana 60.

What have you guys done or seen done?

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Unread 10-27-2002, 08:02 PM   #4
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I routinely weld cast iron to steel using my MIG welder. It is necessary to properly pre-heat the cast to obtain good results.
We used to use a rod called ni-rod to perform this using a stick welder. I assisted on a trail repair earlier this year and there is some super new rod that is now available.

Here are a couple shots of an SOA perch I welded to the cast D/44 pumpkin using the MIG welder.



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Unread 10-28-2002, 12:36 PM   #5
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you can use Ny rod but preheat it . As usual Oldjeepguy ( Steve ) Shows us a perfect example of quality workmanship . I too use the mig for just about everything .
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Unread 10-28-2002, 04:15 PM   #6
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you can use Ny rod but preheat it . As usual Oldjeepguy ( Steve ) Shows us a perfect example of quality workmanship . I too use the mig for just about everything .
JIM :{>

Thanks Jim!

Had a health issue that kept me off the forums for a bit. I'm back now and am planning several cage jobs (8 actually) in the next few months. Maybe I'll feature some of the work in the "Jeep Projects" section.

I've been looking for some more pics of steel to cast welding jobs but am drawing a blank. One of the best examples was an anti-wrap bar on a SOA YJ with a D/60 - this is a product that works better than ANY I've seen - problem is the owner/designer doesn't want the pics out since he may be manufacturing them....
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Unread 10-28-2002, 07:16 PM   #7
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Cool pictures and good looking welds. I will talk to welding supplier to see if they have the Ni rod. They have UTP 8 which has a high content of nickel. This rod cost $55 a pound. That's why I want to see what works before I spent that kind of money.
I do have another axle that I can try welding a chuck of steel to see if works.

Any more hints will help.

Thanks to all that have share their knowledge.

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Unread 10-28-2002, 08:13 PM   #8
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Thanks Jim!

Had a health issue that kept me off the forums for a bit. I'm back now and am planning several cage jobs (8 actually) in the next few months.
No problem Steve ! I have mucho respect for your work , I think I have come to a desicion on bender , I will be going with pro-tool 1 shot bender As far as all the cage jobs go , I would love to come down and watch or give you a hand . I am certified SMAW & GMAW and I am working on getting CWI Plus I would really like to see your bender in action .
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Unread 10-28-2002, 08:42 PM   #9
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I'll let you know when we have a project going....How far are you from San Diego?
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I'll let you know when we have a project going....How far are you from San Diego?
I am in Santa Clarita buy Magic mountain . Wife Has family out that way though so I can make a day of it . Let me know

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Any Recomendation for Mig Welders?

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you can use Ny rod but preheat it . As usual Oldjeepguy ( Steve ) Shows us a perfect example of quality workmanship . I too use the mig for just about everything .

JIM :{>
I've been researching different Mig welders for a CJ-7 project I'm
undertaking. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if the
110v 135amp is big enough for any job or whether a 220v is required.

Also, are there any quality manufacturers other than Miller, Lincoln or Hobart? I would think there is but don't know.
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Unread 11-03-2002, 09:02 AM   #12
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Re: Any Recomendation for Mig Welders?

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I've been researching different Mig welders for a CJ-7 project I'm
undertaking. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know if the
110v 135amp is big enough for any job or whether a 220v is required.

Also, are there any quality manufacturers other than Miller, Lincoln or Hobart? I would think there is but don't know.
I've had both and I prefer the 220 volt. I currently have a 220 volt, 185 amp Millermatic 185 and it works very well.

I have seen other brands and I'm sure they work good but the problem would be parts - I would THINK the consummables would need to be standard between the brands (tips, wire etc).

Not much help but I've only owned/used the brands you mentioned...
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Thanks for the welder feedback OldJeepGuy.......

I took a look at your CJ7 restoration pic's, for the bed, is the
diamond plate you used stainless? you mentioned you hate rust
and used stainless wherever possible.

I live in the rustbelt (near Buffalo, NY) and will be restoring a
1986 CJ7, I hate rust as well, and would like to do the work once and have it rust free. I will need to do a ton of floor and body repairs, but would like to stay with metal and not go fiberglass,
just old-fashioned I guess.

So I guess I'm looking at aftermarket body panels and floor boards (or maybe fabricate out of diamond plate),
know of any good sources for these?

-Dave
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Thanks for the welder feedback OldJeepGuy.......

I took a look at your CJ7 restoration pic's, for the bed, is the
diamond plate you used stainless? you mentioned you hate rust
and used stainless wherever possible.

I live in the rustbelt (near Buffalo, NY) and will be restoring a
1986 CJ7, I hate rust as well, and would like to do the work once and have it rust free. I will need to do a ton of floor and body repairs, but would like to stay with metal and not go fiberglass,
just old-fashioned I guess.

So I guess I'm looking at aftermarket body panels and floor boards (or maybe fabricate out of diamond plate),
know of any good sources for these?

-Dave
The diamond plate is regular steel with heavy primer and Herculiner to protect it. Unless you live at the beach, rust isn't much of a problem in most areas of Socal.
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