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Unread 11-18-2012, 09:58 PM   #1
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Wagoneer Conversion Axle Question - lug pattern

I've searched and have not found a conclusive answer to this. I'm doing a Wagoneer conversion on my LJ (yes, I know this is a CJ forum) with a drivers drop Dana 44 wagoneer axle. I've converting the lug pattern from 6X5.5 to 5X5.5 to match my CJ7 so that I can swap rims back and forth (that's why this is in a CJ forum LOL).

My question that I'd like to confirm is can I easily run 15" rims after I do the conversion, or should I consider getting 16's or 17's for brake clearance. I have lots of CJ rims laying around in 15", and would like to use them rather than buying others, but am willing to do this right. So for anyone who has done this swap, can you answer me please (no hearsay please as I'm buying tires soon for my CJ and don't want to put a grand into tires without knowing they'll fit the LJ when I finish the swap in a couple of months)

And by the way, if anyone has a conclusive list of parts to do the lug pattern conversion, can you send it over. I've done so much searching that some info doesn't line up.

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Unread 11-18-2012, 10:08 PM   #2
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If you use spindles and hubs from a Ford Dana 44, you can convert the lug pattern to 5x5. You will be able to run 15" rims no problem.
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Unread 11-19-2012, 06:01 AM   #3
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I agree with 82, also, Wagoneer's had 15" rims, even with the 6x5.5 lug pattern. 1/2 ton Ford trucks also had 15" rims, at least till 1993. IIRC.

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If you use spindles and hubs from a Ford Dana 44, you can convert the lug pattern to 5x5. You will be able to run 15" rims no problem.
Not quite...you want to run small bearing spindles from a GM or Chevy (ford spindles are 5 bolt, Jeep/GM are 6 bolt. Then run F150 Hubs and Rotors to get the 5x5.5 bolt pattern.
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Your choice of rotor, caliper mounting bracket, and caliper will be the determining factors on what wheel will fit.
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I was trying to remember what spindles to run off the top of my head. Yes, you want the small bore spindles.
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Spindles are '74-mid 78 six lug Chevy or fullsize Jeep. Eight lug parts of these years have the large bearing spindles which you don't want.

Wheelbearing hubs and rotors are late 70s to mid 80s Ford 1/2 ton.

Keep the existing calipers/caliper mounts/pads, knuckle, outer axleshaft, etc.
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I run aluminum wheels on mine. I had to grind the outside surface of the caliper to keep it off of the inside of the wheel. Yes to the small bearing spindles (Chevy or FSJ '74 to mid-'77 is my experience). "74 to '76 if you want flat top knuckles.
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Thanks for all the responses. I also ran late '80's Ford F150 info into the computer, and it indicated that it came stock with 15's - so all should fit. The only concern is John N's last post about aluminum rims - there always has to be one post that holds up the works ha-ha. I plan on using aluminum rims, so I guess I'll have to do some more research before I buy tires.
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Thanks for all the responses. I also ran late '80's Ford F150 info into the computer, and it indicated that it came stock with 15's - so all should fit. The only concern is John N's last post about aluminum rims - there always has to be one post that holds up the works ha-ha. I plan on using aluminum rims, so I guess I'll have to do some more research before I buy tires.
Don't worry about that, if you have that issue, it only takes a few minutes with an angle grinder to fix it. I run 15" wheels, too.
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Interference depends on The rims. I have a set of Dana 44's from a J10, they came with the original aluminum rims. I don't know if they are 7 or 8" wide. Rim backspacing would make a difference also.

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I run a 77waggy 44 rear and an 88 waggy 44 front with 15" rims no problem here
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Small bearing chevy type spindles are mostly to be found on 73 to 76 Chevy 1/2 ton trucks with six lug wheels and 74 to 76 wagoneers. I have found these on a 77 suburban once, a 72 jimmy once, a 71 waggy once, one 84 Chevy 1/2 ton truck and one 84 waggy. I sold a pair just last weekend. The measurement you care about on the spindle is from the top of the flange where the dust shield sits to the edge of the surface where the inner wheel bearing race sits. That distance should be 1.125" to let the spindle work with Ford hubs and rotors and chevy calipers. The ford spindles look the same except that measurement will be 1" on those and they will not work with the aforementioned mix of parts.
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You need these parts.
http://completeoffroad.com/i-123130-...-sp706528.html
http://completeoffroad.com/i-123135-...6-85-ford.html
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Pete, this is straight from my D44 5 on 5.5 build sheet:
Havent built one of these in just over a year
Looks like the tabs arent going to line up.

Inner Wheel Bearing Cup LM603011 Timken Set 37
Inner Wheel Bearing LM603049 Timken Set 37
Outer Wheel Bearing Cup LM501310 Timken Set 45
Outer Wheel Bearing LM501349 Timken Set 45
Inner Spindle Bearing & Axle Seals BRG BK1 Timken NAPA
Oil Seals 4250 Timken
Ball Joints Upper MOOG # K8194T
Ball Joints Lower MOOG # K8195T
Chevy Flat Top Knuckle Left C36520
Chevy Flat Top Knuckle Right C36519
Small Bearing Spindle 6 Bolt 706528x
Spindle Nuts DS 28068
Yoke 26 Spline 620134
Axle U-Joints 5-297x or 5-760x
Chevy K10 1/2 Ton 19 Spline Stubs 9.93 (9 15/16) 38815
Wagoneer 1/2 Ton D44 Caliper Brkts 37846
Ford Bronco D44 Internal Hubs YH141951
Ford Bronco 11.715 Rotors YH141214
Wheel Studs 1/2 20 Dorman 610-290
Knurl 0.619, Shoulder 0.595, Length 2.188
Chevy K10 1/2 Ton Caliper Right 18-4045
Chevy K10 1/2 Ton Caliper Left 18-4046
Chevy K10 1/2 Ton Brake Pads CNAD52
Chevy K10 1/2 Ton Caliper Pins 5004-2
Warn Premium Hub Locks (Pair) 20990
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