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post #1 of 8 Old 04-07-2013, 08:52 PM Thread Starter
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waggie axle steering issue

I finally installed my waggie front axle this weekend. Now my issue is the steering linkage. The draglink is directly above the tie rod. And when the jeep is on it's own weight the tie rod end at the pitman arm is against the tie rod. I installed a j20 pitman arm. Do I need to move my steering box forward and get a shorter pitman arm? What are my options? I don't want to lose much of my stering radius though. And suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


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post #2 of 8 Old 04-07-2013, 09:25 PM
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I'd move the box forward. A shorter pitman arm means a loss in turning radius.
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post #3 of 8 Old 04-08-2013, 10:28 AM
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A shorter pitman arm makes steering "easier" too which will give the Jeep a more squirrely feel driving at high speeds.
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post #4 of 8 Old 04-08-2013, 11:10 AM
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I did a high steer arm on the passenger side (Parts Mike), moved the box forward (RuffStuff or MORE mount) and used a pitman arm off of an Astro van (it has to be reamed to the right size). My steering is great with a good turn radius.

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Well I ordered the mount to move my steering box forward and a pitman arm that's the same length but straight with no drop. The j20 pitman arm I have has a 3/4" drop. Jeremy at parts mike was helpful. Hopefully this will fix the issue. I'm not sure how my my pitman arm needs to be in front of my tie rod. It will be moved above and forward. Jeremy did say its basically trial and error with this axle and the steering. Last option will be a passenger high steer arm for the drag link and leave the tie rod alone in the stock location. I only have a 3" lift. I will lost back my results.


John, I thought the astro pitman arm was 180* out? Can u post a pic of your steering please.

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John, I thought the astro pitman arm was 180* out? Can u post a pic of your steering please.
Yes, the indexing on the Astro arm starts out wrong, but a few minutes of work with a hacksaw and a triangle file and it lines up nicely. The washers on the drag link end are because the arm was reamed a little too deep.







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post #7 of 8 Old 04-15-2013, 11:45 AM Thread Starter
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I got the new pitman arm on. New relocation steering box will go on this week. How much clearance do I need between the pitman arm a nd the tie rod? Is thete a magic number? I'll have about 1-1 1/2" spacing between them looking from the side.

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post #8 of 8 Old 04-15-2013, 05:32 PM
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It will depend a lot on how your suspension flexes out. When you move your steering box forward, you'll have to cut a little out of the back of the front cross member....it's a lot easier to do before you have the steering box in the way, trying to bolt it up (I found out the hard way on this).

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