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Unread 01-28-2012, 07:33 PM   #16
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the 1.9 has lots power don't under estimate it. my rabbit with 5 passengers in it pulls hard with no problems. my estimated vehicle weight with 5 of us crammed in it is 2580 lbs. the gearing is a bit lower in the jeep than the rabbit so the turning weight of the tires should be just fine. i know a guy in Montana that has a Willy's jeep that has a VW 1.6 turbo, he says its the best engine for the jeep and it pulls 70 mph no problems. my 1.9 has the same power of a 1.6 turbo. the 1.9 actually has a much larger torque curve too. i can install a turbo really easy after i am done if i feel i need to.

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Unread 01-28-2012, 07:38 PM   #17
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the 1.9 has lots power don't under estimate it. my rabbit with 5 passengers in it pulls hard with no problems. my estimated vehicle weight with 5 of us crammed in it is 2580 lbs. the gearing is a bit lower in the jeep than the rabbit so the turning weight of the tires should be just fine. i know a guy in Montana that has a Willy's jeep that has a VW 1.6 turbo, he says its the best engine for the jeep and it pulls 70 mph no problems. my 1.9 has the same power of a 1.6 turbo. the 1.9 actually has a much larger torque curve too. i can install a turbo really easy after i am done if i feel i need to.
Not underestimating it, I just have experience with both powerplants, so I thought I would toss out a bit of food for thought. My hope is it turns out great, as I never considered that engine to be up to the task.
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Unread 01-28-2012, 10:03 PM   #18
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No worries Bro, I have thought about this over and over, going from the Benz OM617 turbo to the VW. i will take my chances with the VW 1.9 since i know it pretty well. worst case if it doesn't work out i can always, Diesel swap either my sons 71 Celica or my 74 Datsun 610 which isnt a half bad idea to begin with. i am sure it will do what i want it to do.
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Unread 01-29-2012, 12:30 AM   #19
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Dude, I am tuned in listening in on this. It's too interesting. Keep it coming I am subscribed.
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Unread 01-29-2012, 08:24 AM   #20
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Can I ask "Why don't you use either Toyota or Suzuki trans and TC?" All of the engineering and cost for the set-up you are trying to do seems like it would be much easier taken care of going this route. Then you can regear the TC so you can have the ridicuous crawl ratio plus you'd get OD if its going to be a DD or atleast occasionaly highway driven.
http://www.rocky-road.com/samurai-transfer-case.html
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Unread 01-29-2012, 09:44 AM   #21
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that was my first going Suzuki trans and TC. i have the old pass side offset axles. Toyota wouldn't match up without a complete change out of the axles and everything. plus, i cannot match the low gears that the SM465 has. 6.55 1st, 3.58 2nd, Toyota nor Suzuki transmissions have anything even close. plus i have a tendency to challenge my self with putting things together that really don't belong together as i have done with some of my other vehicles. i have the gears to put my cruise engine speed at 60 MPH @ 2850 rpm. and crawl speed of 1550 rpm at 2 mph. i wont need an overdrive. plus this way, i have good take off potential with both city and off road driving. the cost of the acme adapter and the Diesel engine will be enough for now. as for the adapter for the SM465 box and the Toyota bell, i am near half way done with the templates measuring and drilling. i have given up on any cad files or OTT industries to come through. so i will make my own and have my Pops, who is a Machinist double check my measurements before i have the adapter made.
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Unread 04-16-2012, 05:02 PM   #22
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Well the latest is, the 327 has been pulled and sold. I now have my Adapter from OTT Industries. I have to give a Very BIG Thanks to Ron @ OTT Industries for making my part!!!! I know one off items are not always an easy thing to get done, especially for a good price. I have verified that i have plenty of pilot bearing and input shaft engagement. this had me worried about being short on the input shaft, since i have both the ACME adapter and the OTT adapter.





i have been steadily buying the parts i need so this project will start moving a bit faster along. though, i have an engine overhaul on the Kids 79 Diesel Rabbit going that needs to be completed first.
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Unread 04-16-2012, 07:46 PM   #23
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How big of a radiator are you using? That engine when turned up run very hot when pushed. Adding the turbo makes it a little better but the stock cooling system was not sized very well.

My brothers 1.9 with the turbo made around 70 to 80 HP and the Jetta hardly weighed a thing. A 80's flavored 1.9 had about 50hp N/A. If he was still awake I'd ask him.

Edit. "about 2500lbs"

Are you talking the direct injected TDI. I may have the liters wrong on my brothers old "Jeti"
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Unread 04-16-2012, 08:15 PM   #24
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Now you can run veggy oil. My brother did for years. Was very cheep to operate and got 40+ on it.
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Unread 04-16-2012, 09:37 PM   #25
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How big of a radiator are you using? That engine when turned up run very hot when pushed. Adding the turbo makes it a little better but the stock cooling system was not sized very well.

My brothers 1.9 with the turbo made around 70 to 80 HP and the Jetta hardly weighed a thing. A 80's flavored 1.9 had about 50hp N/A. If he was still awake I'd ask him.

Edit. "about 2500lbs"

Are you talking the direct injected TDI. I may have the liters wrong on my brothers old "Jeti"
i will be using the radiator that cooled the 327, it has like a 3" core its F'in huge. plus a 13x7" oil cooler too. this 1.9 make 67hp and 100 ft lbs at 4400 rpm. there will be no shortage of power. i know someone who has a 1.6 in his Willys and he loves it.
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Unread 04-16-2012, 10:17 PM   #26
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I love the idea! Im in the proses of puting parts together to put a MB omc617 120 hp diesel in my 77 cj 5. I think once you drive diesel you never want to go back.
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I love the idea! Im in the proses of puting parts together to put a MB omc617 120 hp diesel in my 77 cj 5. I think once you drive diesel you never want to go back.
My 94 ram with a cummins agrees with you.
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Unread 04-17-2012, 08:17 AM   #28
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Since it is going to be your prospecting vehicle, can you get farm Plates? Maybe run off road diesel for .55+ cents a gallon less.
I once bought 6 sets of Carlini Clean Sweep handlebars for dirt because the built in risers were too low. They'd hit the tank @ full lock. I had to have 6 sets risers extensions made, chromed and poly bushings inserted at a machine shop.
People loved getting $600 bars for $450, w/double dampening. I made about 100% profit. I still sell a dozen sets a year. Just a hobby thing. I only bring this up because I read the part where you couldn't get the adapter made. My idea was to order the minimum amount, say 4-7, and Ebay extra adapters w/complete instructions. I think it could be a neat little niche market to earn a little fuel money. Maybe offer to do conversions? At your own pace.
But you're on the right track now. Once ya get it running, see if there is a few people that would like to do it also.
Just this morons' idea for a way thru your problem, or a nice little side biz.
Good Luck. Thanks for thinking outside the box, and sharing w/us.
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Unread 04-17-2012, 12:29 PM   #29
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Waste veggy oil filtered to 4 micron and use gas to thin it to the specific gravity of diesel. Its all but free fuel if you can find the oil.

Only thing needed engine wise is to have new seals put in the injector pump because the lack of sulfur will cause the o-rings to shrink.
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Unread 04-17-2012, 03:28 PM   #30
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i haven't been sold on the Veggie conversion. i want to keep this as simple as possible. i haven't confirmed it but running veggie oil is a little hard on the engine and components. plus it is not just readily avail either. so too many cons at this point. down the road maybe...
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