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post #166 of 186 Old 10-11-2012, 07:41 AM
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I WAS intending to remove a steering box from a GM junkyard vehicle. I went in search of a Camero. Lots of GM cars/trucks had this same box. Ironically, there was a CJ7 frame with the steering box. It was a crapshoot, but the box turned out to be better than what we had. Cost me $50. Remanned box from AZ, with core, is $135. Ouch! Do you have reason to believe your box is iffy?


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post #167 of 186 Old 10-11-2012, 04:11 PM Thread Starter
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No real reason, other than just trying to go through process of elimination. I havent tried the adjuster bolt thing on top of the box. Read conflicting info on that. If anyone has some insight let me know.
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post #168 of 186 Old 10-11-2012, 06:52 PM
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No real reason, other than just trying to go through process of elimination. I havent tried the adjuster bolt thing on top of the box. Read conflicting info on that. If anyone has some insight let me know.
My understanding of the adjustment bolt, be it right or wrong, is that it will take up play in the steering wheel. I'm talking about the back and forth slop that you feel. Keep in mind there are different types of slop, and what I am talking about is that slop ONLY associated with a worn box. It doesn't help if you have bushing, balljoint, or TRE issues. Once you adjust the slop out of the steering wheel you have effectively mashed the steering gears closer together, and it causes them to wear even faster. Your steering wheel might feel better, but is hasn't done jack for the funky steering you have at the tires. It is not a repair or a fix. If your steering wheel moves side to side without moving anything up front, then you probably have a steering box issue. You can get one from a JY if you choose. Find a GM vehicle of the same year range. Visually inspect the box to be sure it looks the same. Look for a vehicle with low mileage, if possible. Make sure the fittings are the same. The hard part about this swap is getting the box off the donor car!

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post #169 of 186 Old 10-14-2012, 12:30 PM
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Turtle71

Thanks so much for your detailed pics and descriptions. I have the exact same issue with the PO of my 84 CJ7 having done the angle iron rear crossmember hack. I will have to do almost the exact same operation you did. Do you have to weld on the new heavy duty shackle hangers or do they just use the existing bolts?

The stock rear crossmember covers the frame rails so I am not sure how they affixed the hangers to the frame rails.

thanks again and great work!

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post #170 of 186 Old 10-14-2012, 03:22 PM Thread Starter
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Turtle71

Thanks so much for your detailed pics and descriptions. I have the exact same issue with the PO of my 84 CJ7 having done the angle iron rear crossmember hack. I will have to do almost the exact same operation you did. Do you have to weld on the new heavy duty shackle hangers or do they just use the existing bolts?

The stock rear crossmember covers the frame rails so I am not sure how they affixed the hangers to the frame rails.

thanks again and great work!

Bret
Thanks for taking the time to check out the thread! Funny that you have a similar angle iron issue with your rear crossmember. Its crazy what some people do to these things.

The new shackle hangers bolt on through welded nuts in the bottom of the frame in the rear. Just make sure you spray some PB blaster or something similar through the frame holes in the side of the frame back there to loosen up some of the rust on the bolts. Do this for several days before you try to removes them. I highly recommend Crabtrees hangers and shackles if you will need to replace yours. Heres his web page if you are interested.
http://crabtreetool.com/jeep%20products.html
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post #171 of 186 Old 10-14-2012, 06:14 PM Thread Starter
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My understanding of the adjustment bolt, be it right or wrong, is that it will take up play in the steering wheel. I'm talking about the back and forth slop that you feel. Keep in mind there are different types of slop, and what I am talking about is that slop ONLY associated with a worn box. It doesn't help if you have bushing, balljoint, or TRE issues. Once you adjust the slop out of the steering wheel you have effectively mashed the steering gears closer together, and it causes them to wear even faster. Your steering wheel might feel better, but is hasn't done jack for the funky steering you have at the tires. It is not a repair or a fix. If your steering wheel moves side to side without moving anything up front, then you probably have a steering box issue. You can get one from a JY if you choose. Find a GM vehicle of the same year range. Visually inspect the box to be sure it looks the same. Look for a vehicle with low mileage, if possible. Make sure the fittings are the same. The hard part about this swap is getting the box off the donor car!
Thanks for the feedback Scott. If nothing else works, I'll have to study up on which steering boxes are good swaps.
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post #172 of 186 Old 10-14-2012, 10:49 PM
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Thanks for the feedback Scott. If nothing else works, I'll have to study up on which steering boxes are good swaps.
What I posted is my concept of the steering box problem. I was taught that a long time ago. I know I adjusted our old one until we had minimal play (I was also taught that you are supposed to have SOME play, so don't take it ALL out), but we still had the same wandering issue. Only the steering wheel felt better. My Disclaimer! There is someone out there who can give a better lesson on what's going on!!

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post #173 of 186 Old 11-17-2012, 11:16 AM Thread Starter
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I started a new thread (below) to get some opinions on degrees shims.
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/do...shims-1431156/

After taking it to an alignment shop, I found the caster was way off.


The caster was showing at 2.5 and 2.3 degrees left and right respectively so I ordered these 4 degree shims.
http://www.amazon.com/Warrior-Produc.../dp/B004JARX70

Fairly simple install. Dropped the spring plates. Clamped the leaf packs from side to side and top to bottom to keep them from coming apart. Then removed the centering pins. Installed the shims and reinstalled the centering pins since they were plenty long enough. Removed the clamps and reinstalled the spring plates.



Much easier to handle now going down the road. I can now drive it with one hand! Still doesnt return to center very well though.
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post #174 of 186 Old 11-17-2012, 01:02 PM
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Much easier to handle now going down the road. I can now drive it with one hand! Still doesnt return to center very well though.
After setting mine up from 1.5 +/- to 7.3, I didn't get the return to center like you are thinking either. Not a big deal to my way of thinking when you think of how much better overall it steers. Could be several factors, tires, air pressure, power stering pump pressure, steering box. I am just happy to be able to do 65 on the freeway and not have to worry about her wandering off.

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post #175 of 186 Old 11-17-2012, 02:17 PM Thread Starter
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After setting mine up from 1.5 +/- to 7.3, I didn't get the return to center like you are thinking either. Not a big deal to my way of thinking when you think of how much better overall it steers. Could be several factors, tires, air pressure, power stering pump pressure, steering box. I am just happy to be able to do 65 on the freeway and not have to worry about her wandering off.

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I'm with you on that. Satisfied wth the difference the shims made...at least for now.
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post #176 of 186 Old 11-26-2012, 06:02 PM Thread Starter
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The CJ has been at my parents house where there is enough space to store it and work on it since we first got it. I have only taken it on drives that were less than 5 miles. Since we got the steering straightened out, I finally found the time and decided to take it across town to my house which is about 30 miles away and mostly highway driving. This will give me more time to do small things on it without driving across town.

I have to admit I was a little concerned with what could go wrong. So I checked all the fluids and made sure everything was torqued properly before heading out. I am very pleased to report that our Jeep perfomed quite nicely. Temp stayed steady in the normal range, oil pressure was good, steering was straight and the ride was smooth. It still has a long way to go, but I am very proud of the work Dad and I have done so far.

I forgot to mention. We recently replaced the old wheels and bald 31" tires with some AR Baja wheels and pretty much new BFG A/T's I found separately on craigslist.



Washed the Jeep for the first time in almost a year. Still need to clean up and polish the wheels though.

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post #177 of 186 Old 11-26-2012, 07:32 PM
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Looks pretty good dude
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post #178 of 186 Old 11-26-2012, 08:23 PM
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Oh WOW! Totally transformed! Very nice, Turtle.

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post #179 of 186 Old 11-26-2012, 09:01 PM
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Looks great!

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post #180 of 186 Old 11-27-2012, 05:19 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the kind words guys. Still alot of work to do, but we got it to where we can enjoy it a bit while still doing some things.
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