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post #1 of 19 Old 07-24-2016, 07:31 PM Thread Starter
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Trans to block not making up

Drop the trans (t4) to put new clutch in. But now can not get it to make it back up. I've got about 3/8" to go. The pilot bushing mic. Out at .590 and the shaft is .588" . So not for sure on what I'm missing. Anyone have any idea?

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post #2 of 19 Old 07-24-2016, 07:57 PM
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have someone work the clutch pedal as you push on the trans. Also make sure you have the trans at the same angle as the bell housing which is at a down angle with the engine.
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I did that but but not at the same time. I do have them at the same angle. Thanks for the help
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post #4 of 19 Old 07-24-2016, 09:24 PM
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Have you tried spinning the output with it in gear? Your saying it lacks only about 3/8" from being together?
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have someone work the clutch pedal as you push on the trans.
That trick worked for me when I reinstalled my T5 a few years back.

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Anyone have any idea?
Cut some bolts down and screw them into the bellhousing. Use them as guide pins for the transmission. It will make it easier to 'wriggle' it around and get it mated up.

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Do make sure the clutch disc is well-centered before tightening down the pressure plate. Sometimes a clutch alignment tool is provided, or can be obtained, or sometimes something else can be used in a pinch.

If properly centered, then rotating the transmission output shaft (in gear) should allow the transmission to slide home, assuming everything else is lined up.
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Cut some bolts down and screw them into the bellhousing. Use them as guide pins for the transmission. It will make it easier to 'wriggle' it around and get it mated up.
I have done this same thing too every time I have installed one...I agree, works well if you have the room.
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Cut some bolts down and screw them into the bellhousing. Use them as guide pins for the transmission. It will make it easier to 'wriggle' it around and get it mated up.

Just to be more specific, cut the heads off of longer bolts which allows them to be used as a pin.
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I did the pins as well. As far as working the clutch I'm going to fix up a hold back to get some movement in the clutch. If not its just going to move the trans back.
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post #11 of 19 Old 07-26-2016, 10:16 AM
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How close does it get?
Did you replace the p'bearing?
Did you confirm the clutch disc fitment on the input shaft of your tranny?
How did you maintain disc alignment as you tightened the p'plate bolts?
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post #12 of 19 Old 07-26-2016, 06:23 PM Thread Starter
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How close does it get?
Did you replace the p'bearing?
Did you confirm the clutch disc fitment on the input shaft of your tranny?
How did you maintain disc alignment as you tightened the p'plate bolts?
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About 1/2 to 3/8"
Yep pilot bushing replace.
Disk it in correct high side to trans.
Alinement tool.
When I can get home at a decent time lots of ot. I'm going to engage the clutch and see if it will make up. I've pulled it out 3 times now. Not looking fwd to having to pull it again. I never had one give me this much trouble. I even tried it with out a jack it's stops at the same spot every time.
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post #13 of 19 Old 07-28-2016, 12:09 PM
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That small amount of gap is from the clutch shaft not in alignment with the pilot bearing.
Did you test fit the p'bearing on the shafts 'nose' before install?
Hope you oil soaked the bearing also.
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Yes to both. I think I'm started in the bushing. I'm off tomorrow going to give it a try.
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post #15 of 19 Old 07-30-2016, 06:37 AM
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What I do on mine is take a ratcheting tie down strap and place the hooks onto the front brackets under the engine, then have it run around the back of the transmission. Slowly tighten it and work the clutch at the same time. It will just pop in. It just takes a little time to work it in. I also use the cut off bolts about 4" long to center the trans on the bell housing. If you strip the threads when tightening them just use a heli coil. All four of mine have stripped over the years on my bellhousing. All 4 are still holding up fine.
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