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Unread 03-10-2008, 08:50 PM   #1
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Starter Solenoid

WELL LET ME GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY..
I DROPPED MY FUEL TANK AND REPLACED SENDING UNIT SOME GAUGES
ALSO REPLACED GROUND WIRE FROM STARTER TO THE STARTER SOLENOID
ADDED ANOTHER GROUND WIRE FROM FRAM TO FIRE WALL..
REINSTALLED TANK REPLACED SOME OLD CONNECTIONS IN THE REAR END LIGHTING.. PUT SOME GAS IN TH ETANK DECIDED TO TRY TO START THE JEEP AND IT ACTED LIKE I HAD A DEAD BATTERY JUST KIND OF CLICKED
SO I REMOVED THE BATTERY CHARGED FOR ABOUT 1 HR THEN PUT BACK IN
O FORGOT I HAVE MY HOOD OFF?? ONCE I PUT THE BATTERY BACK IN TRY TO START IT AND IT ACTED LIKE IT WANTED TO TURN OVER THEN SPARKS FLEW??? I RECHECKED ALL GROUND CONNECTIONS EVERYTHING GOOD.. SO I TRIED TO RESTART SPARKS FLEW AGAIN AT THAT TIME I WAS WATCHING FROM INSIDE THE JEEPI THOUGHT THAT IT CAME FROM THE IGNITION MODULE I REMOVED IT TO INSPECT NO WAY TO INSPECT.. ASKED AROUND I WAS TOLD TO REMOVE THE GROUND FROM THE FRAME TO THE FIREWALL
I COULD HAVE A HOT WIRE COMING IN CONTACT WITH CHASSIS SO I REMOVED HOOKED UP THE IGNITION MODULE AND HAD MY WIFE LOOK TRIED TO START THEN I HAD A PRETTY LITTLE FLAME POP UP FROM THE STARTER SOLENOID REMOVED IT AND YEP IT BURNT...
NOW I HAVE NOT STARTED THE JEEP SINCE I INSTALLED THE NEW GROUND FROM FRAME TO CHASSIS AND THE NEW GROUND FROM STARTER TO STARTER SOLENOID
CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME TO TRY TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS MATTER AT HAND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW IF IT SOMETHING THAT I DID OR IS THIS A FREAK HAPPENING THAT JUST HAPPENED AT THE WRONG
AND MAYBE OTHER THAN THE STRATER SOLENOID IS THERE ANY THING ELSE THAT I NEED TO REPLACE WHILE I AM DOWN....

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Unread 03-11-2008, 08:32 AM   #2
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I have an 83 CJ and my starter soleniod doesnt have a ground to it it has a positive from the battery. On the soleniod itself the positvie from battery hooks to one post, then on the opposite side it goes to the positive on the starter, the two top small posts run to the altenator and somewhere else, havent tracked that line down yet. So it sounds to me like you have the soleniod hooked up wrong. Then again we might have different set-ups. My seloniod is grounded to the frame via the screws holding it to the fender well. Hope this sheds some light on your problem
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Unread 03-11-2008, 12:04 PM   #3
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Telling us the 'flavor' of your Jeep would do wonders, but in general....

The only 'ground' a starter has is the engine block it is bolted to. There is no wire ground going to it.

The only ground a starter solenoid has is the fender it is bolted to.

The engine and/or battery are supposed to be grounded to the body and the frame is supposed to be grounded to the engine via a mesh strap across the driver's side engine mount.

You really sound like you have something on the starter solenoid that shouldn't be there. The short likely fried things like the fuse links, but that is to be seen after you can get the starter to crank.

The solenoid's main battery connection also has a couple loop connectors on it leading to wiring harness pieces. These loops connect 'fuse links'.

The other side of the solenoid only has the main power cable to the starter on it.

The side posts have the key switch wire to turn it on and the power jumper to the coil on them.
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Unread 03-11-2008, 04:01 PM   #4
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just cause a wires black doesnt make it a ground....check that NEW wire you put on the starter...( make sure its attached to a mounting bolt not another cable ) and then to the frame
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Unread 03-11-2008, 08:59 PM   #5
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Well My Bad On The Last Post I Got Educated At The Local Part Store Tonight And They Told Me The Same Thing That There Is No Ground From Solenoid To Starter Cool???
Not Very Mechanic Inclined But Trying My Heart Out The Reason That I Thought It Was Ground Because It Was Black....but Know I Got It They Are Both Hot I Purchased A New Solenoid And Starter If There Are Any Important Things That I Need To Look At Before Installing Tomorrow Please Send To Me I Guess I Should Leave The Ground Off That I Ran From The Frame To The Chassis????
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Unread 03-11-2008, 10:00 PM   #6
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frame to chassis is ok.....just not where you had it ( pos starter/solenoid to ground)....hey man its ok we all make mistakes and the one you made is not the first..... grounds on a CJ are a good thing....just not when they are connected to a 12v source when the key is in the run position....hang in there
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Unread 03-11-2008, 11:32 PM   #7
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Heck, we all make errors in repairs and upgrades. It's part of the journey. Might want to roll on down to your local Barnes&Noble or Books A Million and pick up a Chilton Repair Manual for your rig. Very valuable info in there.

However, in the mean time, check the below site out. They have a wiring diagram for the CJ7 posted as stated above, you might have caused other damage to other electrical components. If so, you gonna need the wiring diagram.

Good luck!

http://www.offroaders.com/info/tech-...ng-Diagram.htm
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Unread 03-12-2008, 09:50 AM   #8
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I find the wiring diagrams in the Haynes manual far superior to the Chilton manual.
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Unread 03-12-2008, 02:57 PM   #9
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well since all this confusion mainly on my part I need to clear up some terminology since i have been educated..
i have and ground from battery neg. to engine block, then from engine block to frame, then from frame to chassis
then my pos. from battery to starter solenoid then other side of solenoid to starter( i thought was a ground because it was black) so in a sense i do not have any +12 volt going to ground.. i went to part house and purchased a new strater solenoid and starter these items were in very bad shape any way i am just really concerned why these items went out all of a sudden or is it a freaky time? i am just really concerned about the new ground that i added from frame to chassis?? i am going to leave that ground off when i install the new equip. and see what happens.. any pointers please send

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Unread 03-12-2008, 03:07 PM   #10
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I don't have a frame to tub ground but I do have the battery grounded to the tub.
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Unread 03-12-2008, 08:00 PM   #11
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Could A Low Battery Burn Up Starter Solenoid
I Load Test My Battery Before Trying To Start It And My Load
Tester Says To Charge Then Try Again...
Did All That But My Needle On My Charger Never Moves..
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Unread 03-12-2008, 09:18 PM   #12
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Could A Low Battery Burn Up Starter Solenoid
I Load Test My Battery Before Trying To Start It And My Load
Tester Says To Charge Then Try Again...
Did All That But My Needle On My Charger Never Moves..
Yes, for sure it is common. The low power makes the contacts weld together sometimes from arcing because it isn't held tight likely.

Your battery could have a bad cell. If you can get at the liquid, one cell might be low. That causes a charger to act odd also.
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Unread 03-13-2008, 06:05 AM   #13
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You guys are going to laugh but I had a Starter solenoid catch on fire also.

Poor/loose connection at the post on starter solenoid. Yes lots of spark and finaly a flame. You can see the molten metal flow around the nut.

I replaced battery cable and solenoid and other terninals.

It seems you can only "clean up" the terminals so many times. The plating on the terminals form a protective oxide coating that prevent corrosion. The oxide coating is soft and breaks away when tightening up a connection. That's why star washers are importent. However after removing the terminals a few times you create cracks in the coating were corrosion can start underneith the coating. The corrosion crumbles and now you have a loose cantact as well as a corroded one. One thing leads to another and POOF. flames. Cleaning it with a wire brush helps for a little while but removes some of the plating and speeds up the corrosion.

Since I plow all winter long and everything gets coated in salt, I find myself replacing everything every few years. Dielectric grease is my friend but it washes away also. Need to find Hi current sealed connections.
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