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Unread 05-14-2011, 11:59 PM   #1
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Seat / Harness Question

Hello, am am in the process of getting my dad's old cj5 up and running and one of the first things to be put in is a harness. just wondering if i can install a harness with the factory seats and if not, what type of aftermarket seats are decent. keep in mind low budget and mild metal work skills. thanks guys

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Unread 05-16-2011, 08:36 PM   #2
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well i think i have decided to go with an aftermarket seat. not worth trying to fix the old ones. do these look decent? http://www.jcwhitney.com/buy-2-and-s...67d1166y1969j1
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Unread 05-16-2011, 10:25 PM   #3
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I assume your talking a 4 or 5 point harness. And if you are, the shoulder straps need to be attached correctly. They need to be attached no more than 3" above or 5" below your shoulders while sitting in the seat. A cross bar would need to be welded to the factory roll bar to accomplish this, in the proper position.

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Unread 05-16-2011, 11:34 PM   #4
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yes sir, 4point harness. wondering what kind of seats would do the trick for "low cost" the link i posted was one of the cheapest pairs i found. do they look like they would be ok. granted i might have to make some mounting brackets as the reviews say they may not fit perfect
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Again, it sounds like a4/5 point harness. If this will be driven on the street you need to check your state and local laws. Some are illegal.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 12:06 AM   #6
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right, i am going with a 4pt harness, but i was wondering what seats to go with. Am i mistaken or are the seats and harnesses separate? harnesses are about 70$ but i'm wondering about a cheap seat to replace the worn out stock ones. i have posted the link of the seats i am thinking of replacing it with and wondering if they look like they are ok.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 12:09 AM   #7
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What are they upholstered with? Will it wipe clean or is it cloth?

You will not experience horizontal g forces in a Jeep so the side bolsters etc. may not be particularly useful.

The cut outs for the belts look OK but not necessary, the trick is to get the belts attached to the floor and behind the seat so they do not cut you in half in an accident.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 12:14 AM   #8
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woven upholstery. would you say get the stock seats reupholstered and just add harnesses? as long as they were attached right
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Unread 05-17-2011, 12:33 AM   #9
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If they are the low-back seats, no. The harness (or even stock-style 3pt belt) will hold you back in an accident, but then you will bounce back against the seat, causing back injury. This is why they went with the tall-back seats when they changed from lap-belt to 3-point belt.

If you are talking cheap, look at the Trailmax seats. I doubt that the recliner will get much use in a '5, so just the solid ones would be needed,,

http://www.4wd.com/productdetails.as...10&groupID=686
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ok. here is a pic of the seats.

they aren't low back so i think i'll be fine. just bolt the harness in right and should be good to go correct? and pregon's belt law is as states "safety belt or safety harness properly fits the person. “Proper fit” means the lap belt of the safety belt or safety harness is positioned low across the thighs and the shoulder belt is positioned over the collarbone and away from the neck." (http://www.safemotorist.com/Oregon/D...belt_laws.aspx) so as long as i comply i am ok on roads?
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Unread 05-17-2011, 10:52 AM   #11
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You will still need to run a bar across the rollbar behind your shoulders to mount your 4-point.. seems like you keep avoiding that being mentioned..

As to those seats, AFAIK they are not the originals for that vehicle - they didn't put high-backs in until the 70's.
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You get what you pay for. Cheap seats won't last as long as good ones.

Good 4 or 5 points start about $150 each.
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Unread 05-17-2011, 10:39 PM   #13
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ok. thanks guys. going to go with those seats for now. (save money) and looking into some good harnesses. talked to my dad and he put those seats in after he got it. should be fine. now to just weld a bar to bracket the harnesses on. Thanks a bunch

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The positioning of the belts is critical to the safety.

You will need to mount the two bottom belts at the right point behind the seat that you do not submarine under them in a crash and the forces are dissipated with a reasonable horizontal component. I mount my belts under the rear seat mounting on the transmission tunnel side and near the base of the roll bar on the door side but this depends entirely on the seat design and base thickness. The Jeep seat has a high metal base so the anchorage needs to be some way back.

The top belts need to pull a little straight back on to the bar. If they went down to the floor they would pull down on your shoulders / neck in a crash and be inefficient due to the angles at restraining your body from moving forwards and would put undue strain on the mountings in a high g deceleration. A horizontal pull would be more efficient.

Some judgement is needed on how high to mount the bar to achieve the best results. It will block access to the rear.

If properly secured and aligned they will be much more efficient than a 3 point inertia reel belt but a pain in the neck for daily driving. To be effective they need fastening and tightening and will restrain your bodily movement, useful when bouncing up and down but not good if reaching into the glove box.

I have a set on one of my CJs a PO installed without a bar but they are rarely worn due to the above issues. Look good for the cops but verge on the dangerous and i would not trust my life to them.
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