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post #1 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 04:22 AM Thread Starter
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Rough Country 4" install problem

Ok here is the deal. I finally had a night off so I stay in the garage and install the lift(yes at night). All seems well until I go to install the rear leaf springs. the dang things seem to short! This is the first time I have ever battled with such a thing so I was suprised that I even made it this far. When I ordered, I explained that I will not be changing the shakles for a month or so until the funds magically appear and I was told I could run the springs with the stock shackles but needed longer ones for a better ride. the springs are bolted on..... but in the picture you will see that I have made an error somewhere. I did not lower the transfer case yet..... Could that fix this? I followed the directions and checked twice to make sure the right springs are in the front and back. I am lost. It seems that even with longer shackles the problem would not be fixed. So as always I come here for punishment......... aka knowledge from the forum before I call tech support. Thanks in advance!




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post #2 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 04:32 AM
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Can you tell us the procedure you used to install them?

I have the same lift and I didn't tighten it all up until I had lowered everything down to the ground. Are you sure your springs are resting in the perches properly? There should be a centering lug if I remember correctly. Have the spring or shackle hangers ever been moved and re-welded?
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post #3 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 04:38 AM Thread Starter
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bone stock so I am the first the unbolt anything from the suspension. followed the directions given with the kit, except that I did not lower the transfer case yet. The directions have this step between the front and rear install but I did not think it would matter to skip it until later. I only snugged all the bolts and did not tourque them as of yet. I am certian the center pin is on the perch correctly as well, I had to clean the old dirt out just to visualize the hole.

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post #4 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 04:53 AM
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Transfer case skid plate bushings are for changing the angle of your driveshafts to compensate for the increased height and I don't think would help you with this.
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post #5 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 04:58 AM Thread Starter
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yeah, that is want I was thinking.

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post #6 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 05:04 AM
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This is the second thread in a matter or a couple weeks that had an issue with rear springs doing the exact same thing from Rough Country. His was a 7 though. He called them, they told him "the springs should settle..." I don't see how they should settle if the shackle is binding them up against the frame. You'd need to pry them out away (CAREFULLY!) and see if this "settling" method actually works. A longer shackle would help, but would still have a crappy shackle angle due to the over-arched spring. I'd complain again.

I'll try and find that other thread and link it here if you or someone else hasn't found it yet.
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post #7 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 07:20 AM
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Those springs look entirely too short. Hopefully you can get them swapped out. Can you measure them to see what the length is from eyelet to eyelet? The center pin shouldn't effect the length of the spring. Is that settled on the ground? I would call them and let them know. That will not settle out.

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post #8 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 07:25 AM
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Got the 2.5" kit sitting in the shop, waiting on me. Got it for Christmas... geees, I hope I don't have any problems. Too late to return them now!

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post #9 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 07:31 AM
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If you can pry that shackle away from it's inverted state and put the weight on the tire, it 'may' straighten out. When you put weight on it, the springs get longer. You for sure will need longer shackles to stop them from inverting like that on a bounce though and even then those look short.

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post #10 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 09:04 AM
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Look too short to me as well. Given that someone else just had this same problem, I think you need to call RC...there may be something screwy going on at the spring factory that they ned to look into, have corrected, and get you a new pair of springs.

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post #11 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 09:18 AM Thread Starter
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I have tried to pry them out but I just do not see this being a possibilty. I contacted RC and they are suppose to call me. We shall see. I jumped this topic over to cj-8.com and I think this is a common problem.

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ok i did drop the transfer case now the vavle cover is touching the firewall. did not think i had to drop it (on a scrambler)but had the parts so i put them on. guess I will put it back the way it was. Get this RC tech says I have to flatten the spring so as to break the 90 degree angle of the shackle and then bolt it up. He said I could use a jack and pull the spring with bare hands:crazy:. I am going to give it a try but I do not think that it will be possible.

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I had same problem with my valve cover hitting the firewall and causing an oil leak after lowering the t-case on my CJ7 with RC 4" lift. I removed the lowering kit and got a CV driveshaft due to vibration issues....no problems now. I did not have any issue with the springs and shackles though...

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post #14 of 119 Old 03-22-2010, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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Talked to the RC tech support agian..................Guess I will be removing the entire kit and shipping it back to morris 4x4. holy crap.......The tech support guy said I will have the same problem with any manufacturer. This freaking sucks!

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I had always heard that RC had good customer service. Must've fired the good employees and hired morons. Sorry for you trouble. I hope it works out for you. Good luck.

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