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Unread 08-30-2011, 11:49 PM   #76
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You can see in the last 2 pics where the matting wasn't completely saturated with resin. The 2nd to last pic looks like a lot of air bubbles in the center area, but it is from the first layer not being against the cardboard completely. I pulled the cardboard off, just to see how it looked from underneath:



In this pic, you can see where the resin had run out and pooled a little in the crevice of the cardboard. Hope this doesn't hurt anything. It may get a little visit from the sander, just to help the layer I want to put in under there lay flat:



This is one looking up from inside the wheel well. What you cannot see is the large gap between the old fender and the new glass. I will have to brush some resin in there to seal the edge of the wood I exposed and then pack some of my loose scrap material in there to fill it in. This is why I want to put a layer underneath - less places for dirt and crud to get stuck..



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Unread 08-31-2011, 03:44 PM   #77
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I would say you are thinking just right, Rick. In the first pics where you have the air pockets, I would hit them with the DA and get rid of the hollows. Then I would cut a piece to fit over that area. It will blend so well that you'll hardly know it is there.

As you mentioned about underneath, and the gap we can't see, I agree about packing it with loose stuff. But a LOT of loose stuff can fit in a small area, so make a bunch of it. You can just pull the fibers apart with your hands... the scraps are great for this, but make whatever you need to fill the void. It's hard to get everything wet with resin in a gap if it is deep, so you may have to put some in, wet it, put some more in wet it, etc.

And keep in mind that when you are done, you will feather the edges with the sander and blend it with filler, so it's going to look DYNAMITE when you get done. Don't over-think it.

As far as what to cover it with... I would suggest primer/sealer, but I have to ask others for paint help!!
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Unread 09-01-2011, 07:48 AM   #78
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I had sanded it down yesterday with my angle grinder and 60 grit flap disk, put a couple 2x2 patches over the holes and uneven places that I made getting the air out. You are right, it did smooth out nicely. I put another layer on, but the resin started getting really sticky like I was out of time again by the time I got it all worked in and the air bubbles worked out. Most of my problems have been the matting not wanting to lay flat on the corners, and since there are some compound angles on that area, it can almost get frustrating! It seems I'd just about decide to give up and leave a 'loose' spot, and it would finally just lay down and cooperate!

I had tried stuffing some loose in underneath, too, but I didn't fully separate the fibers, it was more of trying to stuff a bird's nest up in that crevice, and it wouldn't stay 'stuffed'. I ended up just pulling it out and tossing it in the trash. I'll actually make some loose 'hairs' and lay them up in there.

I'm on my way out to fetch more gloves and see what I can find for a DA. The angle grinder is ok, but it is crude looking afterwards. I'll have to find something smaller, since I am only playing in a small area with lots of corners to work around.

Plans are to get this done today, I need it tomorrow!
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Unread 09-01-2011, 12:08 PM   #79
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Ok, 2 more layers on the top, a bunch of fill and 1 large covering layer on the bottom. Figured while they set I'd come in and upload some pics. Most look the same as before, hard to see in person the difference, let alone on the camera..

I did notice I'm getting more air than I thought. I've been using the roller on the last few layers, and it is helping a lot. I used to think it was to push the air out, but it seems to be more of pulling the resin into place, which is removing the air. I took a close-up, hoping you can see the bubbles. They are small, this was taken about 4-6" away from the surface:



A pic out to where you can see the whole thing:



I will say, it is turning out a lot better than I thought. Here is a pic from underneath, with the one large layer on it:



It smoothed over the sharp areas nicely. Not saying how many little bundles I stuffed into the edges and worked in... I have no clue. I thought I'd take this angle to show how it smoothed over. This is the one from a previous pic that didn't show the edge I was worried about. It was about 1/8" deep, so I just kept stuffing and filling. I know I didn't get all of the air out of that part, but it wasn't really meant to be a structural part, just filler. I did get more out than I thought I would - I used a piece of coat hanger bent into an 'L' with about a 2.5" part for the bottom to tuck and work the fibers and resin into the crevices. Anyways, the pic:



Look how much I had to waste, either in is setting too fast or the sun doing it in:



Anyways, a side angle of the top parts:



I'm hoping it is set now, I plan to go out and try out my new Harbor Freight Random Orbital Sander, with 5" disk and dust collection system
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Unread 09-01-2011, 12:09 PM   #80
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And no, I didn't feather the undersid, I knew I wouldn't be able to do it well, with the angles and cramped spaces. I am not worried - I don't care if anyone sees it, it's a good "I did this area all by myself!" type thing!!
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Unread 09-01-2011, 02:24 PM   #81
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Well, had to add a couple pieces here and there to level it. Now to wait.. I think I was a little light on the hardener, been an hour and it is still sticky.. Hope it works - got it sitting in the sun to speed it up.
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Unread 09-01-2011, 04:15 PM   #82
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There is positively nothing wrong with that Buddy! Nice Work!

If the resin has setup, but it feels like it is wet, then yes, too little hardener. Leave it in the sun, and it will eventually dry. If you can't wait, mix you up a litle resin with the proper amount catalyst (quit guessing at Rick! ) and paint over the wet spots.

When prepping my glass parts for paint, I used a high-build primer after the filler. I know that works, but probably more costly than you want for such a small area.
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Unread 09-01-2011, 05:11 PM   #83
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I have been measuring with a 3 oz Dixie cup and a 10ml syringe, using 4 cups (12oz) to 3 ml hardener. It was more than I needed or could use at a time, si I cut that in half - 6oz resin to 1.5ml hardener. That was working great. This last time though, I didn't quite have 3oz of resin (wanted to do a little bit more, but ran out) so I guesstimated .75ml... was a bit off. Most of it has set, only a few spots still lightly tacky. While it was in the sun I vacuumed as much as I could out, and rinsed as much as I could while still avoiding the fresh stuff. Put the seat in, too. I am now 1 or 2 clicks on the adjuster back from where I could go before. I didn't try all the way back to see how it felt, I didn't want the seat to get stuck to the tacky parts.

I'm gonna take it for a spin - the Giant Eagle is about 3 blocks away, so I'm gonna take it - I miss my Jeep!
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Unread 09-01-2011, 07:47 PM   #84
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COOL! Nice when a plan comes together.

And I was only picking at you about the mixing... you did good. Nothing wrong with that work.
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Still tacky in some places. Looks like I'll be getting more resin and doing a cover coat on it...
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Unread 09-02-2011, 09:43 PM   #86
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Hey Rick, that fiberglass work looks great.
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Unread 09-03-2011, 12:09 PM   #87
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Thanks! Looks better in pics than in person, but I have to admit, not bad for my first try..
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A week ago I went and ordered this box, so that I had some lockable storage for my straps, chains, etc. I got the idea from those that you can buy, but the problem with those is you have to have a tailgate - they all have drawers! I had this one made with a lift-up lid.









They made the basic box and the lid, and supplied the piano hinge for it. I welded the hing on, and made the little stands for the seat to attach to. I picked up a key cylinder and was going to take it in to work with me to put the lock in the lid, but then I ran into a problem putting it in the Jeep - it is a half inch too wide! It is a beautiful piece of work, so I hope I can take it back and have them cut it down to fit. I guess I should have tried it in the Jeep before I did all the other work to it, and I even have it painted now. Oh well. They measured it, and so I hope they'll adjust it for minimal cost.. We'll see..

Haven't done anything on the 'glass this weekend, my GF was here so I put it on hold for a day or 2. I did use the Jeep Friday to pull trailer loads of dirt at my Mom's place. We built a couple flower gardens a couple weeks ago, and she had 10 ton of topsoil delivered the other day.





Then while I was loading a load of dirt onto the trailer, I found this antique:



Got me wondering how many people out there would know what this was.. Probably not many anymore..
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Then at the end of the day, after showering and getting ready to load up to head home, I was backing the trailer to it's spot beside the canoes in this pic, and while maneuvering it back, the right front tire clipped the corner of the square one here, and now I have to go back out another day and dig the dirt back, reset the wood, and put the dirt back. It knocked 3 of the 4 sides out of place, so I'm gonna have to redo it all..

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