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Unread 11-01-2011, 04:55 PM   #1
clarythedrill
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replaced steering box....how do you align?

hey,

I replaced the steering gear box, and removed and replaced the tie rod ends, and the pitman arm tie rod end. i measured the old distance from end to end on the tie rod, and will adjust to that to get it close, and then adjust to get it right, but here are my questions:

1. should there be any toe in at all, or should the front and rear of tire give the same readings? i have heard of 1/8 inch toe in, but not sure.

2. is there anyway to change the tie rod end on the end of the drag link that attaches to the steering knuckle without buying a new drag link? i thought you would be able to remove and replace the tie rod end only, but i guess not.

3. I put on a new steering box, and once i get the engine started and bleed it correctly, i will turn it stop to stop and measure how many turns, divide by 2, and find the center point of the output shaft. my question here is, do i put the pitman arm on the shaft pointing directly to the rear and adjust the drag link to meet the pitman arm or do i need to only loosely attach the arm to the shaft and play around with it to find the center point when the tires are facing forward? i may not have discribed that too well, but hopefully yall will know what i mean.

thanks for any advice here, as this is new territory for me.

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Unread 11-01-2011, 05:18 PM   #2
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I am rather interested in this one! I have been trouble shooting a gear box issue and have been wrestling with either doing it myself....which I am not sure if I have the exp. to do a project like that.
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Unread 11-01-2011, 05:28 PM   #3
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I've always done 1/8" toe in on all my cars and they track great. My drag car does 115 in the quarter mile with a regular ol' tape-measure alignment job at 1/8" and it tracks perfectly fine.
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Unread 11-01-2011, 05:37 PM   #4
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my question here is, do i put the pitman arm on the shaft pointing directly to the rear and adjust the drag link to meet the pitman arm or do i need to only loosely attach the arm to the shaft and play around with it to find the center point when the tires are facing forward?
I just replaced both my steering box, and front tie-rods. In my case, I actually had nothing to adjust since the pitman arm can only go on one way. There is a large "spline" that prevents you from misaligning it.

As for the tie-rod ends? You can buy just the ends. Though I think you are referring to the "right/front" tie rod? Thats the long one, and its one piece.
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Unread 11-01-2011, 06:01 PM   #5
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... 2. is there anyway to change the tie rod end on the end of the drag link that attaches to the steering knuckle without buying a new drag link? i thought you would be able to remove and replace the tie rod end only, but i guess not...
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As for the tie-rod ends? You can buy just the ends. Though I think you are referring to the "right/front" tie rod? Thats the long one, and its one piece.
The stock drag link has one tie rod end, an adjustment sleave and the main rod has an integral "tie rod end" connected. If you want a drag link with a new end, you need a new drag link. When faced with that choice, I upgraded... see below.

As for after market support, the Big Daddy drag link uses standard tie rod ends on each end and you adjust it by rotating the entire drag link and holding in place with jam nuts. I use the Big Daddy tie rod and drag link.
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Unread 11-01-2011, 06:03 PM   #6
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hey HP,

my drag link does not have a removeable tie rod end on the end that attaches to the steering knuckle. it does have a replaceable tie rod end on the end that attaches to the pitman arm, and i am replacing it. however, the other end it isnt replaceable, or so it seems. i was sure it would only have a locking ring that needs to be removed, and you would be able to press the old end out, but mine appears to need the entire drag link, minus the adjusting sleeve and tie rod end at the pitman arm end.

EDIT: go Jeepin, i understand now about the drag link, thanks.
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Unread 11-02-2011, 12:00 AM   #7
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Turn steering wheel end to end and count revolutions, divide by 2 and that's center, make sure your pitman arm is just left " drivers side" of center. Mark and lock steering wheel. 1/8th or so toe in on front. Mark spots front and rear on both front tires in same spot and use them as your measuring point. Undo both ends of the tie rod and screw in until they are close to same distance on same ends and insert into knuckles, drag link should be adjustable as well and use the same setup for it to the pitman. Tighten and drive around the block....... I've done it a lot !!!!!!!! Hope this helps
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Unread 11-02-2011, 05:13 AM   #8
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going to knock that out today. thanks sasquatch.
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