Rebuilt t176 hard to shift - Page 3 - JeepForum.com
Search  
Sign Up   Today's Posts
User: Pass: Remember?
Advertise Here
Jeep Home Jeep Forum Jeep Classifieds Jeep Registry JeepSpace Jeep Reviews Jeep Gallery Jeep Clubs Jeep Groups Jeep Videos Jeep Events Jeep Articles
Go Back JeepForum.com > Models > Jeep CJ Forum > Rebuilt t176 hard to shift

Premium LED Lighting by VISION X, Proudly sold at ROCKRIDGBds fox ipf 2.0 racing series shocks now available at rockEngo winches available at www.rockridge4wd.com! Free shipp

Reply
Unread 05-13-2013, 06:49 AM   #31
shadoow
Registered User
1985 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Granbury, Texas
Posts: 457
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mudpuppy1979 View Post
The transmission and trans turn fine out of the jeep by hand.
is this with them bolted together out of the jeep or are they separate?

Also, there are no shims between the TC and adapter but IIRC there is a gasket.

shadoow is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 09:16 AM   #32
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
Out of the jeep I had the adapter bolted to the tranny. It was fine. I also bolted it to the transfer case. It too was fine. I have a gasket between the front bearing cone and the transmission and a gasket between the tranny and adapter. I used gasket maker between the tc and adapter. Is not having a gasket for the tc to adapter an issue? Also, if the tranny gasket grabbed the edge of the bearing when the adapter was bolted on, would that cause this? I'm just thinking. Also to add, everything went together very easily. I did not have to force a thing.
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 09:34 AM   #33
shadoow
Registered User
1985 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Granbury, Texas
Posts: 457
yea, the gasket i was thinking of was the adapter/trans gasket. I don't have one between the TC and trans adapter.
It sounds like both the trans and TC rotate fine individually and when they're connected when off the jeep, right?
When i installed mine i don't remember trying to turn the yokes on the TC after it was installed and before i connected driveshafts so i don't know how easy/hard they would turn. I'd check for you but i'm not going to be where the jeep is til Friday.
shadoow is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 09:43 AM   #34
shadoow
Registered User
1985 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Granbury, Texas
Posts: 457
Also, i meant to ask earlier if you still had the original issue with it being hard to shift, even with the engine off. Isn't that where you first noticed a problem??
shadoow is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 10:55 AM   #35
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
I did not have the tc and tranny bolted together outside of the jeep. I also did first notice the issue when trying to shift it sitting still. I haven't even put the shifter on it since I put it back in. The yoke is noticeably difficult to turn so I just stopped working on it before I found some dynomite to cure all of the issues. Lol. Is it possible that the tranny output shaft is bottoming out in the tc. This is why I was thinking maybe I was missing a shim or something.
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 11:40 AM   #36
shadoow
Registered User
1985 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Granbury, Texas
Posts: 457
if they're both still out of the jeep bolt them up & see if you still have the same stiffness. If they're in the jeep maybe you can back them out from the bell housing enough where the input shaft is disengaged from the clutch and then try to turn the yokes to check for resistance.
I recently switched out a T4 with a T177 (same as T176 cept for internal gearing) and had to problems like you describe with my D300 TC.
shadoow is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 11:58 AM   #37
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
I think that's what I'm going to try.
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 03:22 PM   #38
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
Ok. I loosened the trans to bellhousing bolts. There was no effect. It still took two hands to turn the yoke in neutral still. I tightened those back up and loosened the tc adapter to tc bolts... It freed up. I know my tranny tolerances are correct. I used feeler gauges on everything. What gives?
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 05:06 PM   #39
shadoow
Registered User
1985 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Granbury, Texas
Posts: 457
ok, got it narrowed down. Have you checked the depth of the TC input shaft vs. the length of the output shaft of the trans that would engage the TC? Also, look at the splines on the trans output shaft to see if there are any burrs, nicks, etc. that may interfere with sliding into the TC.
shadoow is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 05:22 PM   #40
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
I have not checked this. Looks like ill be pulling her back out again. Would not havin a gasket between the tc and adapter be the issue? In using sealant. Maybe it doesn't take up enough space?
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 05:24 PM   #41
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
Actually, sry I gave the wrong info. It was the tc adapter to transmission bolts that I loosened which freed it up. Not adapter to tc bolts.
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 05:44 PM   #42
cjfan13
Registered User
1976 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: harrisonburg, va
Posts: 48
When u figure it out man u will never forget it that's for sure ha ha good luck and keep us posted. I'm cheering for you. I wanna know. What u come up with
cjfan13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 05:56 PM   #43
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
I hope it's not an AK and a stick of dynomite. I sure am tired of bench pressing this mess.
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 06:01 PM   #44
Mudpuppy1979
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Graham, NC
Posts: 41
I just had a light bulb go off. Is there only one way that a clutch disk installs in jeeps. It's been so long I don't remember. I don't remember seeing a flywheel side or out side written on it. If it can only go one way and I have it reversed, is it a possibility that its pushing everything back by the trans input?
Mudpuppy1979 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-13-2013, 06:30 PM   #45
cjfan13
Registered User
1976 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: harrisonburg, va
Posts: 48
Deep lip of the flywheel should be facing outward but I don't think it can go either way if its like every other flywheel I've installed it goes only one way. The part the bolts to the crank should stick out some so it clears everything
cjfan13 is offline   Reply With Quote




Jeep, Wrangler, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, and other models are copyrighted and trademarked to Jeep/Chrysler Corporation. JeepForum.com is not in any way associated with Jeep or the Chrysler Corp.