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post #1 of 17 Old 09-15-2017, 04:03 PM Thread Starter
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i know this probable been covered before but what does it take to add power steering and a tilt steering to a 81 cj5 how hard will it be to do on the cheep
etc im very new to this and a bit confused do not have the money for a kit thanks for your help

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post #2 of 17 Old 09-15-2017, 05:03 PM
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Moving this to the CJ forum for you, that's where all the CJ gurus hang out.

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what does it take to add power steering and a tilt steering to a 81 cj5 how hard will it be to do on the cheep
etc im very new to this and a bit confused do not have the money for a kit thanks for your help
Cheap and Jeep only rhyme. They have little to do with each other in the real world of upgrading....

Best would be to find a parts CJ, one that has a manual transmission, the same engine as yours, and has power steering, and tilt column. It could be either a CJ5, CJ7, or CJ8. Everything from the dash forward is the same. Pull the steering gear box, the tilt column, steering shaft, power steering pump (and the mounting bracket), and the hoses. I'm not totally certain about the pulley setups, whether you would need the crankshaft pulley or not. Other's might know that depending on your present engine (which if OEM would be either the I6 or I4.)

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having a tilt column doesn't change anything. it doesn't matter if it is a tilt or not. Now it depends on whether you have a V8 or I6? if you have a I6 it is going to be easier. the main issue is the power steering pump bracket that mounts the pump to the engine. I6 brackets are easier to find and there are lots of them. but if you have a V8 then it gets to be a bit harder. if you have a V8 the easiest thing is to find an old full size wagoner or truck in a junk yard that has a V8. it will have power steering in it. you need to pull the power steering pump, pump bracket (very important) and steering box. power steering pump are easy to find and come by. you can even buy a rebuilt one at any auto parts store, same with the steering box. the big issue is the power steering pump bracket for a V8 they are getting very hard to find and worth their weight in gold. the hoses are easy to come buy new at the parts store. so except for the V8 bracket you can buy everything at the parts store or find in the junk yard. the V8 bracket you are going to have to search for or build. you may have to change the coupler between the steering column and the box depending on the size of the column shaft or box shaft. good luck.
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thank you for all the reply's i will try to work on my profile also
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I just check your profile, and if it is a 'stock' 81 CJ5, it would have either the T176 or T4 4speed transmission or the T5 5speed transmission. If your gear shift lever is 'straight' it would be the T176 (good transmission). If it's bent into a 'S' shape, it is either the T4 or T5. It would have the Dana 300 transfer case. The AMC 258 I6 would have been OEM (or the GM 151 I4). If original, it would have narrow track (no CJ5 left the factory with wide track) axles. Front: Dana 30. Rear: AMC20.

But when you buy old junk, it could have whatever installed by a previous owner.

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post #11 of 17 Old 09-18-2017, 07:15 PM
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Im in the middle of a power steering conversion right now. It requires patience for sure. I had the steering box, pump, and pump brackets and still was hesitant to dive in because no matter what it is with these things, nothing goes as smoothly as you plan. So I would suggest a few things before diving in.

Get a GM steering box with 3.5 or 4.25 turns from 1980 or newer. Simply because they have o ring fittings and it's easier to source the hoses with the correct bends. And they sypposidly dont leak as bad. Ive got 11/16 flare and im having issues with both the above. You want hoses that come up, go toward the passenger side frame, go down and under the radiator, up a little then kick back a good ways to the driver side frame....anyrhing else is a waste of money. (I'm 100 bucks in and the ones I have don't work)

Take the radiator out. (Dont think twice about it...just do it.)

Hook the hoses up to the box first.

If you need bolt sizes for the pump...i posted those along with where they mount and how the pump brackets go together a few days ago.

Get a used power steering intermediate shaft. Costs about 15 bucks more than the coupler kit and saves a lot of time.

Next thing to do is save your money, time, and knuckles and just enjoy manual steering. Its unique and really not that bad.

Good luck

Also for the box....do your best to find the tapered bolts that mount the steering box brackets to the frame. My brackets didn't line up perfectly with the 5 holes (2 through spring perch, 1 through frame, two from above.) I tried 5/8 course thread grade 8 bolts but I bailed after trying to get the second in, then found 5 tapered bolts and it all went together.

Just little things I've run into that add up. Feel free to pm with questions.

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post #12 of 17 Old 09-18-2017, 07:22 PM
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Take the radiator out. (Dont think twice about it...just do it.)
Definitely.

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post #13 of 17 Old 09-18-2017, 08:32 PM Thread Starter
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great tips thanks
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post #14 of 17 Old 09-21-2017, 07:30 PM
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Ok finally got my power steering working. The hoses for the 79 and older with v8 work IF you take the radiator out first.

I installed the pump first, took out radiator, then the box by itself. Then I installed the intermediate steering shaft, then the hoses.
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post #15 of 17 Old 09-22-2017, 04:16 AM
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Why do you guys want to put PS in your CJ's, mine is easy to steer, '76 258 cj7. I like the simplicity of this thing. Less parts is less repairs.
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