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Unread 10-30-2011, 08:25 PM   #1
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Operation ORGAN DONOR: T5 to T176 swap

So I got my OME lift installed (minus shocks) and was not surprisingly let down by my driveshafts....terrible vibration at any speed over 25mph. It was time for new driveshafts anyway - they were JUNK. So what's the best way to replace your driveshafts?

SWAP IN A NEW T176 and DANA 300 from a local donor vehicle!!

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/ch...04/index4.html

I made the rookie T4 to T5 swap in April -- bought an Ebay T5 and "upgraded" a worn-out T4. Paid to have it installed - even though my mechanic told me to go with a T176. Upgraded the clutch linkage to HD. Drove it all summer and simply put up with it. The OD was nice with 31s, but I won't need it with my new 33s and it shifts like crappola anyway.

So I called up the seller and we made a sweet deal for everything I needed from his rolling chasis - bellhousing/new Centerforce Clutch/T176/Dana 300 with Currie Twin Sticks and both driveshafts. He's a good dude and I almost felt bad watching him take apart a project he had clearly put a lot of time and MONEY into....

It's all been rebuilt, but never been driven -- I have high hopes for it all. For what I paid, even if something needs work, I've won.

So having learned the lesson that doing it yourself is both satisfying and cheaper - I've dove right in.

Plucked my Trans/TC/Bellhousing/Driveshafts out this afternoon. Actually pretty straight forward.

I have my neighbors mortorcycle jack which will be a lifesaver since I'm going to try and put the transmission and transfer case up as one unit.....

We'll see!!

More later - pics below.

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Unread 10-30-2011, 08:53 PM   #2
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On a related note (Why I hate my T5):

This is what I found when I pulled the T5 - major damage to the input shaft (top and bottom. The TO bearing (I was told this was replaced NEW in April) was significantly damaged.

What would cause this? I could see the metal shavings all over when I pulled it - you can see them in one picture.

It was driving without any recent change in sound or operation. It was never silent, but I don't recall a significant "incident."

Thoughts?

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Unread 10-30-2011, 11:48 PM   #3
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Treble,

Good luck with the swap.

Man, I have a hard time looking at your fuzzy pics. Using a cell phone, I take it? Is there a focus on that thing?

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Unread 10-31-2011, 02:25 AM   #4
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Have fun, Use the right holes in the frame and on the skid plate for the T-176.

The wear on the T-5, looks like it could of been caused by only getting 1 clip from the Throw out bearing on the clutch fork. Something you may need to look at before putting in the t-176.

Also, even though I'm almost 60, it was easier for me to put the t-177 in and then attach the dana 300 by hand with no jack. They are surprisingly light.
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Unread 10-31-2011, 04:20 AM   #5
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Good luck with the swap.

Man, I have a hard time looking at your fuzzy pics. Using a cell phone, I take it? Is there a focus on that thing?

Matt
They look fine on my iPhone and Mac, but I think I need to upload them
In higher resolution....or stop shaking!!
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Unread 10-31-2011, 04:26 AM   #6
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I think it is the size of the pictures you are uploading. Computers are not my strong point either, that is why I drive a vehicle designed in the pre chip age.
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Unread 10-31-2011, 06:21 AM   #7
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Ok, so I'm rethinking trying to hoist both tht transmission and TC up at the same time -- but I am confused about separating the Dana 300 from the T176? Do I unbolt the TC from the adapter? Or the Adapter from the Transmission? Are there gaskets, or do the seals do the work? My searches were not too clear.....

It's a leak-free package right now and I am hesitant to screw it up by separating them -- but I'm not feeling particularly strong either....

Advice?

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Resize the pics for the page you are posting on. Don't post them full size. Either force them down to a reasonable display size or thumbnail them. Very hard to look at unless you click on them and view them like a slideshow.
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They look fine on my iPhone and Mac, but I think I need to upload them
In higher resolution....or stop shaking!!
Actually, if you just reduce the image size, the resolution should improve.

Computers display all images in a fixed resolution (72 PPI for Macs, 96 PPI for Windows). The larger the image size, the more fuzzy they will look on the display.

My wife and I own an advertising agency, so the nature of digital photography is quite familiar to me.

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Resize the pics for the page you are posting on. Don't post them full size. Either force them down to a reasonable display size or thumbnail them. Very hard to look at unless you click on them and view them like a slideshow.
Yeah - I'll address the pics when I get home. Sorry -- it's a bit obnoxious!

Any chance a moderator is watching and can hook a fella up?
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Yeah - I'll address the pics when I get home. Sorry -- it's a bit obnoxious!

Any chance a moderator is watching and can hook a fella up?
Here's what one of your fuzzy monster pics above looks like re-sized to 8"x10". The focus is still off, but it's a lot easier to view at this size, don't you agree?

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"fuzzy monster pics" I love it.

Yeah, yeah, I'll fix it, I'll fix it!
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By input shaft , what you're referring to I think is called the front bearing retainer. You should make sure the one on the T176 isn't gouged up.
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Fuzzy monster pics...repaired!

No work tonight. Bought new bolts for the install.

BUT...33x10.5R15 BFG KM2s are being mounted. Front N95 shocks arrived and new Warn hubs are here....not a bad day at all!!

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Unread 11-02-2011, 07:32 PM   #15
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I just had my *** handed to me...can you say "Clam Chowder on Rye?"

So I decided that because the T176/Dana300 combo was so nice and pretty, that I would install them as one unit. Ouch. That muther frucker is frucken stinking HEAVY AS HELL!!!

So after I tried installing them with the shifter still attached - no go, dumb idea - I removed the shifter/top plate, but kept the twin sticks on (another dumb idea. I eventually folded them down).

3 seriously frustrating attempts and a lot of lessons learned (mainly HOW TO KEEP THE THROWOUT BEARING FROM COMING OFF DURING INSTALL) and I took a nice long break that included 2 beers....

I was fried. Arms done. Neck done. Frustrated as hell.

So once the beer kicked in, I decided to lift the unit with my brains. I spent some time configuring a piece of plywood and some scrap wood on the motorcycle jack such that the unit would sit naturally (i.e. trans straight, Dana clocked as if it were properly installed). Time well spent.

Loaded the unit on the jack/wood frame...and patiently worked it into place. Once I thought that it was good to go, I just got in there and gave it everything I had. And then.....

...it happened. (I thought it was a once in a lifetime experience). I lined it up. Gave it a little shove. Thought that it wasn't right and....SLIP...in in went. All the way to the hilt. HEAVEN!!!!

Bolted it up. Supported it with a jackstand and I'll button it all up tomorrow.

To do:

Clean/Seal/Replace top plate
Install tranny mount
Fill Tranny and TC w/ GL5 80w90 Sta-lube
Install front driveshaft
Install old skid plate (new one inbound, but need my DD back!)
Clutch linkage/adjustment
Install rear driveshaft
(TC vent?)

Also tomorrow (more for me than you all):
Up on 4 jackstands
Remove old wheels
paint rear hubs/axle ends
adjust rear brakes
clean/paint front hubs
install new Warn lockouts
install front shocks
install new 33's....
drool....

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