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Unread 08-01-2011, 12:26 PM   #61
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The original salesman I spoke with, at ARB (owners of OME) was clueless about CJs, and unwilling to do the research. He said that was "beyond the scope of what he could help me with"...are you kidding me?

So, taking 85LaredoCJ7's advice, I politely asked for TR Burris. Wow, what a difference talking to the right person makes. It took TR all of about 30 seconds to narrow down the possible steering shocks to (2) models that have the right eyelet/post configuration.

Unfortunately, both of those models are 3" in diameter, which I believe is too large to work with the stock mounting bracket.

So the answer is, OEM does not make a damper that bolts tight up to CJs. Bummer.

I hope to fabricate a bracket that will allow me to use the SD40 shock pictured above. I'll post a picture, if I come up with something that works.

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It sucks there isn't a bolt on solution for you man, but this should be an easy one to fab up if you are so inclined. You could probably do away with the existing mount and just weld a shock stud right to the tie rod or something.

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Unread 08-01-2011, 12:34 PM   #62
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Uhh...its getting the OME lift done, HD tie rod and drag link flip, and HD steering box brace. Having the front axle stripped down and re-painted while its out as well.





I thought we were going to do this one together???
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Unread 08-01-2011, 01:30 PM   #63
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Great thread guys! I am in the very beginning stages of looking into a new suspension for my 83 cj7 that i am rebuilding. I have heard nothing but good things about the feel of OME springs which is making me lean to doing exactly what the two of you are doing. I'm still saving, so I know the two of you will be finished before I start buying my parts. You have already helped me make up my mind about buying a kit or just buying the parts. The kits sound like nothing but problems. Once you are finished please post up a summary of all the parts that you had to buy and mods that you had to do. Thanks again!!!
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Unread 08-01-2011, 02:29 PM   #64
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Here's what I would order if I was starting from scratch. I had recently replaced some items (like my shackles) before I started, so I didn't need everything I have listed here. This should get you pointed in the right direction.

You need 4 OME springs,
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_5058.htm

4 OME shocks,
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16091_0171.htm

Front and rear YJ bushings(You need 4 of these kits, one for each spring)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_700.htm

4-1.25" ID shackle hangers(CJ are 1"ID, YJ are 1.25"ID)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/12590_0006.htm

2 YJ front spring plates, left and right(or get some conversion spring plates. The CJ rear spring plates can be reused if you want)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/56008_05.htm

Longer shackle bolts(I would just get two sets of these or something similar without bushings and be done with it)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16049_4011.htm

New ubolts(don't forget one needs to be the larger diameter for the front differential housing if you have a Dana 30)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/56009_01.htm

That's the basic parts list I came up with for my conversion(though I haven't done the shocks yet) If I've forgotten something let me know. I come up with about $1100 before shipping.

I hope this helps, it can be somewhat confusing. Sounds like even the guys selling the kits have trouble with it.

If you order from Quadratec, don't forget to call or email Joe and get yourself a forum member discount, and possibly free shipping.
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Unread 08-01-2011, 02:52 PM   #65
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Thanks for the list, Erik. I'll compare it to mine when I'm done.

Sometimes is pays to be a pack rat....

I found a fence-post gate hook in my barn that happened to be the exact diameter to use for my modified steering damper bracket. I cut it to an appropriate length, then drilled a 5/16" hole thru the length of the stud. It bolted right up to the stock bracket (in black).

The hardest part was finding a 5/16" bolt that was long enough in the mess that I call a garage....
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Unread 08-01-2011, 07:05 PM   #66
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Nice one man. That should do the trick.
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Unread 08-01-2011, 09:01 PM   #67
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Thanks, Erik

Here's the steering shock installed with my modified bracket. I flipped the stock bracket 180*, lengthwise, to allow more clearance for the larger diameter shock.

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Unread 08-02-2011, 06:35 AM   #68
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Here's what I would order if I was starting from scratch. I had recently replaced some items (like my shackles) before I started, so I didn't need everything I have listed here. This should get you pointed in the right direction.

You need 4 OME springs,
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_5058.htm

4 OME shocks,
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16091_0171.htm

Front and rear YJ bushings(You need 4 of these kits, one for each spring)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_700.htm

4-1.25" ID shackle hangers(CJ are 1"ID, YJ are 1.25"ID)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/12590_0006.htm

2 YJ front spring plates, left and right(or get some conversion spring plates. The CJ rear spring plates can be reused if you want)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/56008_05.htm

Longer shackle bolts(I would just get two sets of these or something similar without bushings and be done with it)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16049_4011.htm

New ubolts(don't forget one needs to be the larger diameter for the front differential housing if you have a Dana 30)
http://www.quadratec.com/products/56009_01.htm

That's the basic parts list I came up with for my conversion(though I haven't done the shocks yet) If I've forgotten something let me know. I come up with about $1100 before shipping.

I hope this helps, it can be somewhat confusing. Sounds like even the guys selling the kits have trouble with it.

If you order from Quadratec, don't forget to call or email Joe and get yourself a forum member discount, and possibly free shipping.
Adding to Erik's list, which is spot-on btw, I will offer a few more parts to consider:

- (Optional) (2) 1/4" x 2" x 7" steel plate spacers to drop the front shackle mounts enough for the bumper to clear them. You can do without these, by notching your bumper, but there won't be enough room to reinstall the lower bumper mounting bolts without the shims. It wasn't easy even with the shims.

- (Optional) A set (2) of longer, braided front brake lines. These springs have a LOT of flex (see pic below). I haven't replaced mine yet, but based on that pic, I may.

- (Optional) (1) Rear brake line spacer. I still haven't figured out what purpose this serves, but my kit's instructions said to use it, so I'm sure someone realized a need for it.

- (Optional) (4) 9/16" x 4.5" grade 8 bolts for the stationary spring hangers. There seems to be quite a bit of stress on these bolts, as 2 of my original bolts snapped in half when removing them.

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Unread 08-02-2011, 06:54 AM   #69
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You're absolutely right about the brake line extensions, I already had Russell braided stainless lines installed from my previous lift, and forgot that part. Thanks! I wish I had a "Master List" of parts to order from when I did mine, hopefully this helps.

The springs really are ridiculously flexy. It looks like a mild mannered, slightly lifted Jeep, then as soon as you get into the knobby stuff it grows these crazy legs and starts walking over things like a Transformer or something.
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Unread 08-02-2011, 07:02 AM   #70
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Erik,

You said it, brother.

I wish I could have found a thread like this one before I started on mine. It would have saved a lot of confusion and apprehension about tackling this project.

I'm like a kid on Christmas morning, right now. I simply can't wait to take the Ol' Girl out for a spin when I get my new shocks delivered and installed. Hopefully, that will be today!!

With any luck, she won't feel like driving a shopping cart with no castor. Erik, how did your alignment spec out after you were done?

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Unread 08-02-2011, 08:14 AM   #71
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I don't know if I just got lucky or what, but for the first time since I've had the Jeep I can take my hands off the wheel and it goes straight down the road. It's much less exhausting to drive when you have that neutral spot in the steering instead of constantly holding it one way or another.

When I had the 4" Rough Country on there, the inner portion of my front wheels was wearing rapidly. This has now stopped even though I'm putting lots more miles on the rig than I ever have.

With that said I'm waiting until I do new tires and wheels to have my alignment professionally done. I got a few more months on this set.
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Unread 08-02-2011, 10:08 AM   #72
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Erik,

You said it, brother.

I wish I could have found a thread like this one before I started on mine. It would have saved a lot of confusion and apprehension about tackling this project.

Matt
i do feel bad that the two of you did not have a master list like this. I'm still not sure if I am going with OME or not, but either way I want to thank you both again for the great thread!!

I have a few questions:
Can one of you measure the height of your Jeep after you have everything installed? I want to make sure I am able to still fit into my garage with that same lift on my jeep.

How much research did the two of you do on suspension lifts before you went with OME? Do you think that it is worth the extra money? Were there any other lifts that you almost went with?

Thanks again for the help!!
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Unread 08-02-2011, 12:50 PM   #73
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i do feel bad that the two of you did not have a master list like this. I'm still not sure if I am going with OME or not, but either way I want to thank you both again for the great thread!!

I have a few questions:
Can one of you measure the height of your Jeep after you have everything installed? I want to make sure I am able to still fit into my garage with that same lift on my jeep.

How much research did the two of you do on suspension lifts before you went with OME? Do you think that it is worth the extra money? Were there any other lifts that you almost went with?

Thanks again for the help!!
You are welcome.

I have a standard 7 foot garage door and my Jeep clears with a couple of inches to spare. But I'm only running 31s and a bikini at the moment.

I did a ton of research, though my order hasn't reflected it. I found at least a few negative reviews on virtually every suspension out there for the CJ, except OME. The Rubicon lift was my second choice. Many guys were ripping off other lifts in favor of the OME.

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Unread 08-02-2011, 01:03 PM   #74
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Well, my fiasco with 4WD.com over shocks continues....I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

After realizing they sent me the wrong shocks, I arranged of have the correct ones overnighted last Friday. Knowing that UPS doesn't deliver overnight on weekends to my house in the boonies, I had the package shipped to a business center in town.

My "overnight" package, that was suppose to arrive last Saturday, finally showed up today, so I excitedly rushed to town (30 minutes away) to get it. To my shock and disappointment, there was only (2) shocks in the box!! Furthermore, they charged me the overnight shipping!! What?

Needless to say, I was on the phone with 4WD within seconds. I raised enough he11 that I think I have the shipping issue resolved, and have (2) more shocks on their way. Of course, I still have to box up the wrong ones and send them back, then make sure my card gets credited properly....damn.

So, I will have to wait at least one more day to wrap up my install.

At this point, I can honestly say I will NEVER order from 4WD again. I understand mistakes happen, but complete incompetency is unacceptable.

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Unread 08-02-2011, 04:42 PM   #75
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Getting ready to do the EMU 2.5" lift myself. Think I will go with the "heavy duty" option since I am installing a 351W. My question is does anyone know if there is a difference in the rear and front OME springs in length? I heard one time that there is a slight difference in length and if you used four rear springs, you would not have to do the front rivet mod. Anyone know anything about this?
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