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Unread 07-11-2013, 06:51 AM   #601
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The second stud is for the shocks on narrow track axles, 1981 and older. If you have a bracket on the backside of the axle then you have a wide track axle that doesn't use the second stud on the plate.
Well, in fairness to the OME kit, it is a YJ kit which people are using on CJ's. OME does not list a CJ kit. Now I wonder if I want to use that second stud, as it is 2 3/4 inches lower. I am thinking about shock travel at it's peaks.

The shocks 4WD promised me came in. Hold up on the praise I gave them for caring about the customer. They are not the $93.00 shocks the kit recommended. They are Pro Comps ES1000, which go for $31.00 each. So, when they told me that they will include shocks for $100.00, instead of sending the shocks recommended (nitrogen charged I think) in the add, they picked what kind of shocks I would have and knocked $20.00 off what I would have had to pay. They are the cheapest Pro Comps made and I am not even sure they fit the lift as they seem no longer than the original ones.

Install experiences. In cutting the tow/draw bar shorter, I noticed it's mounting bolts show signs of corrosion/pitting/rust where the nuts rest. I will have to drop the fuel tank to replace two of the bolts. (I had just had that tank out.)
Also, as recommended, I used longer bolts for the shackle hangers. It now occurs to me that I need new, longer, spacers to keep from crushing the bushings. I have a chop saw. What do I need to buy which I can cut to length ?

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That's true, wasn't thinking of that. That would explain the odd assortment of parts.
If you get the correct length shock you won't need the extra 2 3/4" for travel because the springs will only droop so much. So as long as your within the range of the shock you wouldn't really benefit.
That sucks about the 'ol bait and switch they pulled on you. They'd be going back.

"Also, as recommended, I used longer bolts for the shackle hangers. It now occurs to me that I need new, longer, spacers to keep from crushing the bushings. I have a chop saw. What do I need to buy which I can cut to length ? "
Not quite following you on this.....
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Unread 07-11-2013, 09:37 AM   #603
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If you get the correct length shock you won't need the extra 2 3/4" for travel because the springs will only droop so much. So as long as your within the range of the shock you wouldn't really benefit.
Yeah but, is it the droop I need to worry about ? That's flex. I am more worried that the wrong shock might act as a bump stop.
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That sucks about the 'ol bait and switch they pulled on you. They'd be going back.
It can happen. I wish I didn't jump the gun and open/separate all the parts when they told me that they would send the shocks. Their problem if they wish.
As recommended on page two, OK4WD seems to be a great replacement source for the OME/CJ kit. When you go with their Rock Equipment Granite Kit which includes everything, shocks and all, and has free shipping, your cost is $1,269.90 and I guess tax. I am at $1,057.00 including $100.00 of shipping. Add in $376.00 for the correct shocks ($1,433.00), deduct my $100.00 shipping charge, and OK4WD is $263.00 cheaper.

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"Also, as recommended, I used longer bolts for the shackle hangers. It now occurs to me that I need new, longer, spacers to keep from crushing the bushings. I have a chop saw. What do I need to buy which I can cut to length ? "
Not quite following you on this.....
I said spacers. The shackles/bolts have metal sleeves.
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OK4WD is $263.00 cheaper.
Upon further scrutiny, the OK4WD kit includes all four replacement shackles which are greaseable, and, greaseable fixed end spring bolts. That's another couple hundred bucks.
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I got my sleeves from ok4wd. I had to grind one end just enough to slip it between the shackle sides, maybe a 32nd. But I did have to drill a hole in the center of my sleeves to allow grease thru to the bushings, which pivot on the sleeves.

For the shocks I went with Bilsteins that were for a 3-4" lift. OME claims 2 1/2" but some have gotten closer to 3", plus my shackles give me another 1", so I'm in the 3 1/2"-4" range. But yes, you don't want the shocks range to be exceeded in either direction. Find out what the compressed and extended lengths are.
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4WD praise back on. They are gonna send me the OME brand recommended shocks, no extra charge.
Back to the install.
To get the tow bar off, I had to remove the rear spring hangers. I went ahead and removed the springs. As per forum recommendation, I measured the old springs and compared eye to eye measurements to get the correct length shackle hangers I will need.
They were an within an inch of each other. So I measured the width of them. They are both at 2 1/2 inches. Do I have YJ rear springs already ? Lift springs ? The front springs I know are just two inches wide ( I can not accurately measure the length).
I just refinished my original chrome Laredo rims. Stamped "Made in Canada". I noticed that the shocks I removed also said the same thing. Knowing my CJ, no cut wires, no missing original equipment (including the Laredo carpeting in good condition), original paint, all original smog control, me being the third owner, I wonder if the CJ springs were as wide and as long as the YJ's.
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Yes the Jeeps factory rear springs are 2 1/2" and 43" (iirc) long; but the fronts are only 2" wide and 42" long. I may have the lengths off a bit.
That's great about the shocks. Now the issue may be getting the "correct" OME shocks. I believe one of the guys here who got them had issues getting the proper ones. Or maybe I'm thinking of the stabilizer.
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I am stuck. Per this thread, it was mentions that I could use my old CJ shackle hangers. I went and got the longer bolts. Having trouble locating the bolt sleeves locally.
Looking at my new OME bushings, there is no way an original sized CJ bolt and sleeve will fit the OME bushings. I went down the street to look at a YJ's shackle hangers and the bolt is thicker in diameter and the sleeve should be too. The YJ shackle hanger is also longer than the CJ's. Replacement YJ shackles other than stock, suggest another 1" of lift.
I am not sure what to do. I got a killer deal as it turned out but I kinda wish I went with Rocky Road Outfitters or OK4WD. Both will match prices and they have easy to reach tech support. I hate to ply them for knowledge when I did not buy from them. I can not find an ARB contact number (I am gonna call 4WD).
I am leaning towards just getting stock YJ shackle hangers but would like better suggestions.
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The rear Jeep shackles can be used because they're 2 1/2" but you need new 2 1/2" front shackles, not necessarily wrangler shackles, you could use rear Jeep shackles. You just need 2 1/2" wide ones, then choose the length accordingly. Stock wrangler shackles are 4" bolt to bolt whereas Jeeps are 3".

The issue with the bushings is that OME and wranglers use 1 1/4" bushings and a bigger center bolt, while Jeeps use 1" bushings and a smaller bolt and sleeve, or some may not even use a sleeve. I would steer clear of Rocky Road just from what I've read about other guys experiences with them. OK4WD will sell parts from their kit, which is what I did, you don't have to get a complete kit. I used their bolts, sleeves, and U-bolt skids (which are Warrior Products brand).

As for shackle hangers, you'll need new hangers for 1 1/4" bushings, such as Crabtree's or MORE's or OK4WD's Rock Granite ones.
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Stock YJ front hangers are weld on and not really a good solution to your problem.
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The rear Jeep shackles can be used because they're 2 1/2" but you need new 2 1/2" front shackles, not necessarily wrangler shackles, you could use rear Jeep shackles.
My kit came with new 2 1/2" shackle hangers (reinforced gusset).
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You just need 2 1/2" wide ones, then choose the length accordingly. Stock wrangler shackles are 4" bolt to bolt whereas Jeeps are 3".
That should be perfect, I think. My new springs need a little longer flex/stretch room.


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The issue with the bushings is that OME and wranglers use 1 1/4" bushings and a bigger center bolt, while Jeeps use 1" bushings and a smaller bolt and sleeve, or some may not even use a sleeve.
I have noticed some replacement beefier shackles (with the welded center stiiffner) seem not to have sleeves.
I would steer clear of Rocky Road ... OK4WD will sell parts from their kit,[/quote]
Thank you for that.
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As for shackle hangers, you'll need new hangers for 1 1/4" bushings, such as Crabtree's or MORE's or OK4WD's Rock Granite ones.
I am not sure you are right. The hangers just sandwich any bushing, the sleeve prohibiting too much crush. They do have to be long enough so the center brace will allow the bushing to fit/work.
Thanks again. The wife still has faith in me, .
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Based on your last comment I think we might be getting terms confused. The hangers are what attaches to the frame. The shackles go between the hangers and the springs. The shackles sandwich the bushings and sleeves and come in various lengths. The hangers should be for 1 1/4" bushings.
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Based on your last comment I think we might be getting terms confused. The hangers are what attaches to the frame. The shackles go between the hangers and the springs. The shackles sandwich the bushings and sleeves and come in various lengths. The hangers should be for 1 1/4" bushings.
Thanks, I thought so.
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The rear Jeep shackles can be used because they're 2 1/2" but you need new 2 1/2" front shackles, not necessarily wrangler shackles, you could use rear Jeep shackles.
I really do appreciate your attention. I will not rush this. I am glad I am not paying someone to slap the lift together.
Jeeps are built, not bought.
I am on hold till Monday business hours.
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I am stuck. Per this thread, it was mentions that I could use my old CJ shackle hangers. I went and got the longer bolts. Having trouble locating the bolt sleeves locally.
Looking at my new OME bushings, there is no way an original sized CJ bolt and sleeve will fit the OME bushings. I went down the street to look at a YJ's shackle hangers and the bolt is thicker in diameter and the sleeve should be too. The YJ shackle hanger is also longer than the CJ's. Replacement YJ shackles other than stock, suggest another 1" of lift.
I am not sure what to do. I got a killer deal as it turned out but I kinda wish I went with Rocky Road Outfitters or OK4WD. Both will match prices and they have easy to reach tech support. I hate to ply them for knowledge when I did not buy from them. I can not find an ARB contact number (I am gonna call 4WD).
I am leaning towards just getting stock YJ shackle hangers but would like better suggestions.

The OME Bushes require the OME shackle kit and bolts. They are designed to be greased via the bolt and a non-OME bolt and bush wont fit, wont work and OME wont want to know when the bush fails due to lack of grease.

OME wont sell the bolts seperately, they only come with the shackle kit but they dont come with the non-shackle end bolts so you still need those. I have listed the sizes in this thread a while ago.
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The OME Bushes require the OME shackle kit and bolts.
Nonsense...
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Nonsense...
I have them in my car, i know that a sleeve and bolt wont work for long due to the design. You can use aftermarket bushes in the OME springs though. OME dont sell their custom bolts separately so you need the shackle kit as well. This has all been discussed and documented in this thread already.
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