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Unread 08-06-2013, 03:30 PM   #346
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Has anyone had problems with the clutch not working after the swap? I either slept through that part of this swap, or I skipped over it, but I never saw where anyone had this problem. My clutch fork is hitting the back edge of the square window in the bellhousing. In other words, you can't depress the clutch pedal far enough to activate the clutch. The reason for this is the 4.0 flywheel is 400/1000s thinner than the 258 flywheel. This allows the throwout bearing to sit farther back. I have searched for a longer TO bearing, but to no avail. Novak makes one, but they are retooling, and they are at least two weeks away before running them. The other option is an adjustable pivot ball.

Where did I go wrong? What did you guys do to avoid this problem?

We are using an XJ 4.0, XJ manual flywheel, modified 258 bellhousing (for CPS), T18 tranny, diaphragm clutch set.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 05:17 AM   #347
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My initial thought is that something is missing. That small of a variation in the thickness of the flywheel should not translate to the clutch fork hitting, and meeting a longer throwout bearing.

Is it possible that you either forgot to put in the pivot ball behind the clutch fork, or it fell out? I usually use JB Weld, or epoxy, to hold them in place while I am positioning everything. It doesn't last forever, but by the time the epoxy lets go, the ball is firmly seated behind the clutch fork and won't go anywhere.

As far as getting a larger throw out bearing, take your current throwout, bring it to the parts store, and find something a little longer. They do make them for various applications.

I am running a T176 and a 4.0 flywheel, and had no issues.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 03:41 PM   #348
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My initial thought is that something is missing. That small of a variation in the thickness of the flywheel should not translate to the clutch fork hitting, and meeting a longer throwout bearing.

Is it possible that you either forgot to put in the pivot ball behind the clutch fork, or it fell out? I usually use JB Weld, or epoxy, to hold them in place while I am positioning everything. It doesn't last forever, but by the time the epoxy lets go, the ball is firmly seated behind the clutch fork and won't go anywhere.

As far as getting a larger throw out bearing, take your current throwout, bring it to the parts store, and find something a little longer. They do make them for various applications.

I am running a T176 and a 4.0 flywheel, and had no issues.
Thanks, Nelson. The pivot ball is in place, and I have no explanation for this malady! There is more to this story, but I won't post it up here. It can be read in Clay's Build Thread... the last few pages. Going with an adjustable ball stud. I will keep ya'll posted.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 05:12 PM   #349
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My initial thought is that something is missing. That small of a variation in the thickness of the flywheel should not translate to the clutch fork hitting, and meeting a longer throwout bearing.
Assuming Scott's measurements are accurate, the 4.0 flywheel is nearly 7/16" thinner then the 258's.

That's not a "small variation" in my book.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 06:24 PM   #350
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Assuming Scott's measurements are accurate, the 4.0 flywheel is nearly 7/16" thinner then the 258's.

That's not a "small variation" in my book.

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Matt, it's 400/1000s, so .4".
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Unread 08-07-2013, 06:24 PM   #351
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That makes it 80% of 1/2 inch!
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Unread 08-07-2013, 07:54 PM   #352
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Or 2/5ths of an inch if you reduce 400/1000ths completely.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 08:02 PM   #353
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Round it up to a furlong
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Unread 08-08-2013, 06:48 AM   #354
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Matt, it's 400/1000s, so .4".
So it's a hair under 7/16". Correct?

Or has my grade school mathematics failed me?

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Unread 08-08-2013, 10:01 AM   #355
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Okay, I'll give you that.

But something is amiss with the flywheel. Mine did not have any impactful variation in thickness on my setup. I used a flywheel from a 99 TJ that I had resurfaced.
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Unread 08-08-2013, 12:42 PM   #356
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Okay, I'll give you that.

But something is amiss with the flywheel. Mine did not have any impactful variation in thickness on my setup. I used a flywheel from a 99 TJ that I had resurfaced.
I agree. I used a new Luk flywheel when I did mine a few months ago. I definitely think I would have noticed almost 1/2" difference in thickness. That's close to 30%!
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That makes it 80% of 1/2 inch!
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Or 2/5ths of an inch if you reduce 400/1000ths completely.
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So it's a hair under 7/16". Correct?

Or has my grade school mathematics failed me?

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Sorry Matt. It was dumb to correct you. It just goes to show my state of mind. I wasn't thinking!

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Unread 08-11-2013, 03:13 PM   #358
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I completed this swap using the hesco cps relocation kit. Now, I think my cps is going out. Does anyone know if I can use an after market cps from the parts store or do I have to replace it with a hesco cps?
I replaced the cps and am still having the issue. The jeep starts and runs fine then suddenly dies.

It looks like its throwing code 73 and 75, but I can't find those anywhere for a 1992 4.0

I'm at a complete loss.
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Unread 08-11-2013, 03:42 PM   #359
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I had a similar problem with a friends rate down the trail the other day. He has an early 90's XJ. The problem ended up being the ballast resistor. Once we bypassed it, he had no other problems.

I eliminated the ballast resistor when I send out my wiring harness, but if for some reason you kept yours ( and you used an XJ harness), that may be the problem.
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Unread 08-11-2013, 03:51 PM   #360
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My harness is from hesco and they eliminate the ballast resistor.

The fuel pump primes and seems to be in good working order.
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