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Unread 05-15-2013, 10:39 AM   #331
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Anybody have a diagram of the '97 XJ fuse/junction box... specifically the pin outs?
http://colorado4wheel.com/manuals/Jeep/XJ/

The FSM for the 99XJ should apply to your 97 OBDII. Section 8W is all wiring diagrams and pinouts.

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Unread 05-15-2013, 08:50 PM   #332
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You can buy brand new 4.0 flywheels from NAPA fairly cheap. You will also need flywheel to crank bolts as the flexplate bolts will be to short.
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Unread 05-16-2013, 04:31 PM   #333
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http://colorado4wheel.com/manuals/Jeep/XJ/

The FSM for the 99XJ should apply to your 97 OBDII. Section 8W is all wiring diagrams and pinouts.
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You can buy brand new 4.0 flywheels from NAPA fairly cheap. You will also need flywheel to crank bolts as the flexplate bolts will be to short.
Thanks, Kman. I picked up a new flywheel from AZ for $65! Blew me away!! Used ones on Ebay for $65 and up... go figure. I have the new flywheel and clutch set... now let's see if it will all bolt up to a T18. And thanks for the bolt reminder. Gotta do that tomorrow.
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Unread 05-18-2013, 03:58 PM   #334
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Motor Mount Issue

Not ready for the FI part of my swap & hope that will come someday. 88 4.0 into my CJ-8 just this week (T-5/D300). Was told 258 motor mounts & frame brackets would bolt up to 4.0 block & my CJ frame. Had a 2.5 GM engine before & was told those mounts would not work nor the frame bracket. The 258 engine brackets & motor mounts fit fine, but after all are put together the frame bracket is about 3/4" too far to the rear of the rear of the vehicle to line up with 4 of the available frame holes. Same situation on both sides. As I live in an area where Jeep help is remote, I have totally relied on all you guys here at JF. Any help you can give is much appreciated.
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Unread 05-18-2013, 06:39 PM   #335
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Not ready for the FI part of my swap & hope that will come someday. 88 4.0 into my CJ-8 just this week (T-5/D300). Was told 258 motor mounts & frame brackets would bolt up to 4.0 block & my CJ frame. Had a 2.5 GM engine before & was told those mounts would not work nor the frame bracket. The 258 engine brackets & motor mounts fit fine, but after all are put together the frame bracket is about 3/4" too far to the rear of the rear of the vehicle to line up with 4 of the available frame holes. Same situation on both sides. As I live in an area where Jeep help is remote, I have totally relied on all you guys here at JF. Any help you can give is much appreciated.
Chuck, I haven't crossed that bridge yet, but I remember reading about an extra hole in the side of the block that you must utilize for the engine bracket. It moves the engine bracket forward a little. IIRC, it is a metric thread, and it is the only hole that has a metric thread. I hope this helps you, and I'm looking forward to your results.
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Unread 06-22-2013, 06:38 AM   #336
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We have the engine in the Jeep. It is bolted up to the T18. I had to get a new pilot bushing from Novak. Plugging Novak for their great service to me on the phone. I had issues with the metric bolt on the motor mount, but only because I live in a land where metric is not king, and it was hard to find the M12 bolt!

The engine harness is OBDI. This is a '97, and we converted everything to OBDI to make it easier to install. I am still at a loss on the "5 to fire"! I am clear on the principal. I have the FSM for a '94XJ. Am I to understand that I need only 5 wires from out of the entire bulkhead connector, and every single other wire in the bulkhead connector can be removed from the harness? No sensors go to the BH connector (I don't recall any sensors going there)? Take those lone 5 wires and plug them into the corresponding cavities in the CJ Bulkhead Connector, and that's pretty much it????? Rock-N-Roll time.

I need that assuring hand on my shoulder, saying, "Yes, Scott, you are going in the right direction!"

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Unread 06-22-2013, 12:43 PM   #337
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To continue beating this decomposing horse, my question relates to the pin out of the XJ bulkhead connector.

The first two pics are the same, one just bigger than the other. I have labeled the 2nd pic with the corresponding pinout scheme, as I understand it. The vertical lineup is plain (columns), but what about the horizontal line up (rows), as there are obviously pins that fall between rows? How do you, for sure, identify which pin belongs where? This is a very dirty bulkhead connector from a '94 XJ OBDI harness.

The third pic is the bulkhead connector on the firewall of my '79 CJ5.

The 4th pic is provided to me from another forum member. And it should correspond to the third pic.

The 5th pic shows all the wires coming from the XJ bulkhead connector, minus some that I have already cut out. Can I remove all but 5 of these?

Would somebody be kind enough to guide me through this step which is easy for you, but hard for me!?

Thanks, All.
img_0143_1.jpg   img_0160_1.jpg   img_0146_1.jpg   79bulkheadconnector655.jpg   img_0142_1.jpg  

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Unread 06-22-2013, 07:15 PM   #338
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The first two pics are the same, one just bigger than the other. I have labeled the 2nd pic with the corresponding pinout scheme, as I understand it. The vertical lineup is plain (columns), but what about the horizontal line up (rows), as there are obviously pins that fall between rows? How do you, for sure, identify which pin belongs where? This is a very dirty bulkhead connector from a '94 XJ OBDI harness.
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I think you have the letters reversed on your XJ connector. There should be 7 contacts in the A row, and 6 contacts in the H row.
The numbers count up from the outside toward the center of the connector. So, on row D for example, the pin ID's are D1, D2, D4, D5. --- D3, D6, and D7 do not exist.

I'm looking through the '95 wiring diagrams now to try to help you identify which wires you need, and which can be tossed...
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Scott,
I think you have the letters reversed on your XJ connector. There should be 7 contacts in the A row, and 6 contacts in the H row.
The numbers count up from the outside toward the center of the connector. So, on row D for example, the pin ID's are D1, D2, D4, D5. --- D3, D6, and D7 do not exist.

I'm looking through the '95 wiring diagrams now to try to help you identify which wires you need, and which can be tossed...
Possibly Ken, but I am labeling it according to the drawing that was provided me (see pic). Thanks for the help.
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Unread 06-22-2013, 07:56 PM   #340
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It looks like jeepwhore had it right... http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cl...l#post15506797


XJ -> CJ
position - size - color
E4 12ga RED (Batt +) -> 12A
H2 14ga YLW (Start) -> 13B
B6 12ga DB/YL (Ignition) -> 14B

If you retained the XJ Power Distribution Center, the fuel pump relay will be connected internally. If you ditched the PDC, the fuel pump relay will need to be triggered off 14B as well.

And you'll need to attach the grounds for your XJ harness as well. Not sure where they are on yours.... On mine, they were all terminated at a ring terminal near the ignition coil. Or, position G4 on the XJ bulkhead connector should work as well.

Here's the diagram I was using...
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Unread 06-22-2013, 08:08 PM   #341
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Possibly Ken, but I am labeling it according to the drawing that was provided me (see pic). Thanks for the help.
Yeah, I saw that. In the photo of the "very dirty bulkhead connector," it wasn't very clear how many contacts are in the first and last rows. Regardless, both the XJ diagram I was referencing and the diagram you were using show 7 contacts in row A, and 6 contacts in row H.
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It looks like jeepwhore had it right... http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cl...l#post15506797


XJ -> CJ
position - size - color
E4 12ga RED (Batt +) -> 12A
H2 14ga YLW (Start) -> 13B
B6 12ga DB/YL (Ignition) -> 14B

If you retained the XJ Power Distribution Center, the fuel pump relay will be connected internally. If you ditched the PDC, the fuel pump relay will need to be triggered off 14B as well.

And you'll need to attach the grounds for your XJ harness as well. Not sure where they are on yours.... On mine, they were all terminated at a ring terminal near the ignition coil. Or, position G4 on the XJ bulkhead connector should work as well.

Here's the diagram I was using...
Dang! I should have taken a picture of the PDC. I am keeping that. It will go on pass. fender. There are two threaded studs at one end. Is that for battery positive? I didn't remove it from the donor vehicle, so I am unsure.

There are 3 ground connectors (IIRC) that terminated near the coil. Kept those.

When I look at the diagram that you used I see spots! Aside from position and wire size, what is it telling me? Also, your BH connector, as you mentioned earlier, is numbered/lettered differently. Is that simply due to the orientation... meaning is it turned 90*??

Ken, are you using the XJ BH connector instead of your CJ BH connector, or are you splicing wires? I thought you said you were splicing...

With the above diagram, XJ -> CJ, is this as simple as removing E4 from the XJ BH connector and plugging it into the 12A CJ BH connector? Am I just making this hard?

Thanks for your patience!
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Dang! I should have taken a picture of the PDC. I am keeping that. It will go on pass. fender. There are two threaded studs at one end. Is that for battery positive? I didn't remove it from the donor vehicle, so I am unsure.
Is your PDC still attached to the rest of the harness? Or is it stand-alone?
Yes, the two studs are for Batt + and the generator output.

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When I look at the diagram that you used I see spots! Aside from position and wire size, what is it telling me? Also, your BH connector, as you mentioned earlier, is numbered/lettered differently. Is that simply due to the orientation... meaning is it turned 90*??
The diagram I posted is a single page from the FSM. You'll notice that in addition to the cavity, and wire identification, there is a 2 or 3-digit circuit identification code. These identify the individual circuits so they can be referenced on the other 300 or so pages of wiring diagrams.
And yes, the two diagrams are rotated 90* from each other. But they both show row/column "A" as being the one with 7 contacts.

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Ken, are you using the XJ BH connector instead of your CJ BH connector, or are you splicing wires? I thought you said you were splicing...
Yes, I am splicing wires.

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With the above diagram, XJ -> CJ, is this as simple as removing E4 from the XJ BH connector and plugging it into the 12A CJ BH connector? Am I just making this hard?
yeah, it could be that simple. I doubt that the contacts are compatible though, so you will probably have to splice to make it work.

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Thanks for your patience!
Glad to help!
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It looks like jeepwhore had it right... http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cl...l#post15506797


XJ -> CJ
position - size - color
E4 12ga RED (Batt +) -> 12A
H2 14ga YLW (Start) -> 13B
B6 12ga DB/YL (Ignition) -> 14B

If you retained the XJ Power Distribution Center, the fuel pump relay will be connected internally. If you ditched the PDC, the fuel pump relay will need to be triggered off 14B as well.

And you'll need to attach the grounds for your XJ harness as well. Not sure where they are on yours.... On mine, they were all terminated at a ring terminal near the ignition coil. Or, position G4 on the XJ bulkhead connector should work as well.

Here's the diagram I was using...
I can't tell if the "quote" picked up your link, Ken, but in your diagram of the '95 BH connector it is shown in section J, 8W-80-7. If I look at my '94 XJ FSM it is showing the transmission control module! Is this because it is RHD? It came from Aussie Offroad. I have scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and I can't find a connector pinout for the BH connector anywhere in this manual.

Should have the pump mounted and wires spliced to CJ BH connector this weekend. Hope to put some fire to it. Stay tuned!
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Unread 07-02-2013, 06:01 PM   #345
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I can't tell if the "quote" picked up your link, Ken, but in your diagram of the '95 BH connector it is shown in section J, 8W-80-7. If I look at my '94 XJ FSM it is showing the transmission control module! Is this because it is RHD? It came from Aussie Offroad. I have scrolled and scrolled and scrolled and I can't find a connector pinout for the BH connector anywhere in this manual.

Should have the pump mounted and wires spliced to CJ BH connector this weekend. Hope to put some fire to it. Stay tuned!
Try searching the pdf for "C108." That's what the connector is labeled in the FSM I'm referencing.
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