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post #31 of 74 Old 02-28-2013, 08:59 AM
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The moment you find out that your cheap chinese winch doesnt work is the moment you need it the most, what about when you need replacement parts? Saving money is always good but when you need to get off the trail or stuck a winch that will perform is priceless. The two major problems to cause a winch to fail is lack of use and abuse.
People need to understand that all things need maintainence, your Jeep, your car and your winch. You just don't jump in any rig and drive it and ecpect it to last forever.


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post #32 of 74 Old 02-28-2013, 09:02 AM
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The first thing I'd do is price out an off road recovery. They aint cheap and THEY'RE your comparison.

Figure out what kind of winch capacity you need. If you mud, you're going to need a heavier duty winch; MUCH heavier rated. Generally speaking, a safe sized winch is about 3 times your vehicle weight. Remember too that the winch rating is for the BOTTOM WRAP of your cable. Each wrap on the drum of your winch lessens its ability.

Don't count on being able to run your engine while winching. Vehicle angles, water, etc. can make running the engine impossible at worst, not desired at best.

Winching is more than owning a winch. It also means understanding basic concepts such as leverage. You also want to own a "recovery kit" with snatch blocks, slings, straps, etc. How many snatch blocks? I take four along with me, but some consider this overkill. They also don't believe you can pull yourself out backwards with enough snatch blocks.

I believe synthetic cable is nice, but not necessary. It certainly has its advantages such as being lighter and not storing energy so that if it snaps, it drops instead of flying through the air. I also think that it has disadvantages. It is more fragile and more suseptible to being damaged by rocks and logs. In my prior career, I did lot's of winch work working for a telecommunications company. All we ever used was steel cable except for pulling cable underground. We'd use a sandline there so that we didn't damage ductwork. Steel winch lines work just fine.

If you're buying a winch to look cool, buy what you want. If you're buying the winch to get yourself or your buddies out of a jam, save your money and buy the best you can. There are reasons why Ramsey and Warn are expensive, and they're good reasons like series wound so that they stay ccoler, higher ratings with heavier gearing, etc.

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post #33 of 74 Old 02-28-2013, 09:25 AM
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im only going to add this.
If your winching your friend up a incline like shown in the picture.Where a winch failure could cause injury or damage, what winch do you want. The $400 special, or the best one money could buy? Is it worth taking a chance?

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I had read somewhere, and I don't remember where but it was on the net (and your not allowed to put anything on the net that isn't true, right?), that there are only 2 winch companies out there, Warn and I believe it was Ramsey. And they sell them to other companies to be rebranded and those folks add the remaining parts. If you look at all the winches out there in this newly created economy market, the base winch is the same but with different paint, clutch knobs, and solenoid boxes. So are we argueing a mute point? We may never know. But I'm sure the top of the line quality still would remain with those 2 companies, as will the higher prices.

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I would stick to a name brand like Warn, Superwinch, or Ramsey. I have never had to buy a new winch as I have been very lucky to find used ones at great deals. The warn 8000 on my Jeep cost me $250 on ebay shipped and was in perfect condition. The warn 8000 on my sons scout I traded parts and labor for and works great. The 9500 Superwinch on my truck, I was in the right place at the right time and it was given to me. I've burned the motor up on it once but it was easy to find a replacement and it didn't cost a fortune. The costco special 8000 lb winch on my car hauler was given to me for usage time and has worked perfect for over 6 years but at the same time I wouldn't put it on one of my vehicle's, that and if it breaks I don't imagine it would be easy to find parts for. I agree with Windknot that the synthetic rope is probably pretty nice but I play in area's like lucdog pictured and at $200 plus for synthetic I'll stick with steel cable.

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Just get the Engo and put a warn sticker on it. Thats what I did, works for me...
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Too FUNNY, Manhattan.

(see below)....33 years old, been used a ton, never been re-built, and still operates and looks like new.

Who can say the same about their Mile Marker, Engo, or Harbor Freight winches?

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Isn't that what Chrysler uses in their Toledo plant?

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No it seems more like he got bitterly fired by Mile Marker
nope cant bring myself to do inferior work... Says the guy that builds airplanes and rockets.... But anyways I bought an old truck years ago when I was still a teenager and went out and bought everything the guy at Mr 4x4 told me too (they are out of buisness now) as shiny and as pretty as all the mile marker stuff was it just didnt hold up to wheeling in a half ton truck, wasted a good chunk of money on that chinese garbage.

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I had read somewhere, and I don't remember where but it was on the net (and your not allowed to put anything on the net that isn't true, right?), that there are only 2 winch companies out there, Warn and I believe it was Ramsey. And they sell them to other companies to be rebranded and those folks add the remaining parts. If you look at all the winches out there in this newly created economy market, the base winch is the same but with different paint, clutch knobs, and solenoid boxes. So are we argueing a mute point? We may never know. But I'm sure the top of the line quality still would remain with those 2 companies, as will the higher prices.
The premium brand names like warn are built in the US (so part of that premium pricetag goes to giving Americans paychecks)
I believe superwinch is built in brazil and the US (I know their hubs use to be all built in Brazil. They were built by a company called AVG)

But...most of the cheap ones like mile marker, engo, and harbor freight are built in china.

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Yeah, probably wouldn't take me 4 1/2 years to finish that.
Just go down to the local paint store and get the gayest blue the have.
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post #43 of 74 Old 02-28-2013, 03:23 PM
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The first thing I'd do is price out an off road recovery. They aint cheap and THEY'RE your comparison.
Pssh my buddies buddy got me a free ride in a snowcat after he got his Wrangler stuck in UT last year and then my friend got his sisters Cherokee stuck trying to rescue him. $1600, a snowcat a wrecker,and 24 hours later he was finally out of the ditch a winch would have saved him from in the first place.
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Pssh my buddies buddy got me a free ride in a snowcat after he got his Wrangler stuck in UT last year and then my friend got his sisters Cherokee stuck trying to rescue him. $1600, a snowcat a wrecker,and 24 hours later he was finally out of the ditch a winch would have saved him from in the first place.
People actually pay a service to have someone unstick their jeeps? I personally like to rope many vehicles together and all pull at once, when there is no winch or hi lift. You can pull out the titanic that way. Or just 2 retarded 1/2 ton stock chevys. We had 4 vehicles roped together that day, it was super sloppy on that trail. Right after a snow melt, only the front vehicle had 2 tires on dry dirt. We also crossed a river that way all roped together, almost as good as those camel trophy boys.

Anyway moral of the story. A tow truck? Really?

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post #45 of 74 Old 02-28-2013, 06:19 PM
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People actually pay a service to have someone unstick their jeeps?...

Anyway moral of the story. A tow truck? Really?
Yes, really. And they aint cheap. It's hard to lash Jeeps together when there's only one or two of you.

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