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Unread 11-19-2012, 10:37 AM   #1
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New Crown Quadra-trac chain stretched after one day.

Put the new chain in Saturday, went wheeling Sunday. It started out fine and by the end of the day, it started jumping teeth when making hard climbs.

I didn't check the tension when I first put it on, but it felt very tight, I had a heck of a time getting it on compared to putting my old worn out one on.
I checked the slack today, and it's at 1-1/8" already.

Is it too much to expect than to get more than one day out of it.?

I e-mailed the seller I bought it off of to see if they are willing to do anything.
$160 down the drain, and I need to tear it apart again.

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Unread 11-19-2012, 10:55 AM   #2
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Crown....you're surprised?

Crappy deal man, hope you can get some kind of refund. I'd be looking to try and find a more reputable manufacturer or even get it from the dealer if they aren't discontinued.
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Crown....you're surprised?

Crappy deal man, hope you can get some kind of refund. I'd be looking to try and find a more reputable manufacturer or even get it from the dealer if they aren't discontinued.
That's the problem. They quit making the Morse a couple of years ago. Can't find one anywhere. The Q-trac junkies bought them all up.
I called a couple of places that had a Morse advertised, and not a single one said they have Morse stamped on the chain as they should.(yet they still want Morse prices).

The only options now are the Omix-Ada and Crown, and they are probably made at the same factory.
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Bummer. I know you love you're quadratrac buuuuuut....stak or atlas time?
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Unread 11-19-2012, 12:33 PM   #5
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Bummer. I know you love you're quadratrac buuuuuut....stak or atlas time?
I'd be happy with a simple T-18 or a 300 swap, but I really love my TH400. With a badly needed frame swap coming up soon, the $700 or so for a swap just isn't in the cards.

I'm waiting for a call back from a place that says they may have a Morse chain at their warehouse. Hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst.
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Unread 11-19-2012, 12:52 PM   #6
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I swapped in a dana 300 behind my th400 and love the setup. Rebuilding the th400 to swap shafts isn't bad at all as long as you aren't rushed and have a big table. I upgraded a lot of stuff including my converter, shift kit, and governor calibration settings. It's not cheap but it's worth it. I paid 100 for my dana 300 and 50 for my centered rear diff with 3.54's. The rebuild kit with red alto clutches was 100, stall converter was 100, Novak kit was 450, shift kit and calibration kit was another 65 bucks and then you have new drive shafts for let's say 400. If you go this route a have a new tatton rear shaft that might fit that I would sell really cheap. Good luck with your choice.
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I swapped in a dana 300 behind my th400 and love the setup. Rebuilding the th400 to swap shafts isn't bad at all as long as you aren't rushed and have a big table. I upgraded a lot of stuff including my converter, **** kit, and governor calibration settings. It's not cheap but it's worth it. I paid 100 for my dana 300 and 50 for my centered rear diff with 3.54's. rebuild kit for red altos was 100, stall converter was 100, Novak kit was 450, **** kit and calibration kit was another 65 bucks and then you have new drive shafts for let's say 400. If you go this route a have a new tatton rear shaft that might fit that I would sell really cheap. Good luck with your choice.
Great info. That may be a good option. What's nice is the T18 swap is a direct swap with my axles, but the adapter kit runs $700.

I just found one single Morse chain laying on somebody's shelf.....for $349.
That's probably the route I will go.
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I ordered the Morse for $350.
Hopefully I can get a refund on the one that lasted a single day, or else I'll be almost as much in the hole as doing a swap would have been.

I asked them three times if it's guaranteed to be a Morse with it stamped on the links. I want to be sure for that price.
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Make them email you a pic of it.
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Unread 11-19-2012, 02:43 PM   #10
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I didn't mind my q trac I just didn't want the hassle of trying to find good chains in the future. If it is a morse then great, but by the time you wear it out new morse chains will be as good as gold (they almost are now). I would start choosing your new powertrain and stockpiling parts.

"What's nice is the T18 swap is a direct swap with my axles, but the adapter kit runs $700." -- Did you mean to say the Dana 18 t case? Its the only other offset rear output case that I know of. If you are going to go through the trouble of gutting your trans to ditch the Q trac output shaft (it only works on the q trac) I would go Dana 300. Much better support for new parts and used parts are readily available. You can then twin stick the 300 and gain a lot more control of the vehicle off road. Don't let the rear axle swap discourage you. It was the easiest and cheapest part of the swap for me.

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Did you mean to say the Dana 18 t case? Its the only other offset rear output case that I know of.
That's what I meant. I knew it was an 18 in there somewhere.

The E-bay seller put me in touch with Crown. I spoke to them and they said it would not be a problem to give a full refund. They can't do it direct with me, but at least the seller isn't on the hook for their quality issues.
I let him know that although I was very disappointed with their quality, the customer service seems top notch. The whole call took less than 5 minutes.
He said they are working on getting the quality to comparable standards as the Morse chain, as there are alot of customers if they do.

Hopefully now the E-bay seller moves quickly, and the place I ordered the Morse from moves quickly. I hope it lasts 90,000 miles like the old one did.

I don't want to mention where I found the Morse until I have it in my hand. With my luck somebody else will buy it before my order is processed. I'm not sure how many they actually have, it may just be the one.
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About 6-7 years ago, a fella stopped in front of my house and gave me a Qtrac chain.. said it was brand new and never installed. He said that he drove past my house almost daily and since there were always Jeeps out front, he thought maybe I knew someone who could use it. I told him all my buddies had either D300s or NP231s, but I took the chain and hung it on a hook in the garage.

Fast forward to 3 minutes ago.. the chain is still hanging were I left it. Looks like it was coated in cosmoline or some other "waxy" preservative. It's caked in crud (dust/dirt) from sitting for 6yrs, but doesn't look any worse for wear. I didn't take a really close look (already took a shower), but I can check it better tomorrow..

If you want it, it's yours for the price of shipping. I can probably get it in a Medium Flat Rate Box for $10.. just let me know.
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About 6-7 years ago, a fella stopped in front of my house and gave me a Qtrac chain.. said it was brand new and never installed. He said that he drove past my house almost daily and since there were always Jeeps out front, he thought maybe I knew someone who could use it. I told him all my buddies had either D300s or NP231s, but I took the chain and hung it on a hook in the garage.

Fast forward to 3 minutes ago.. the chain is still hanging were I left it. Looks like it was coated in cosmoline or some other "waxy" preservative. It's caked in crud (dust/dirt) from sitting for 6yrs, but doesn't look any worse for wear. I didn't take a really close look (already took a shower), but I can check it better tomorrow..

If you want it, it's yours for the price of shipping. I can probably get it in a Medium Flat Rate Box for $10.. just let me know.
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About 6-7 years ago, a fella stopped in front of my house and gave me a Qtrac chain.. said it was brand new and never installed. He said that he drove past my house almost daily and since there were always Jeeps out front, he thought maybe I knew someone who could use it. I told him all my buddies had either D300s or NP231s, but I took the chain and hung it on a hook in the garage.

Fast forward to 3 minutes ago.. the chain is still hanging were I left it. Looks like it was coated in cosmoline or some other "waxy" preservative. It's caked in crud (dust/dirt) from sitting for 6yrs, but doesn't look any worse for wear. I didn't take a really close look (already took a shower), but I can check it better tomorrow..

If you want it, it's yours for the price of shipping. I can probably get it in a Medium Flat Rate Box for $10.. just let me know.
If it has Morse stamped on it, I'll take it. Due to the age, it probably does. They probably were the only ones to make them back then.
It should have 48 links, the 16% OD only has 46 links.

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Ok... just checked.. it's stamped with MORSE and has 48 Links.

Has some spots of surface rust but I think it'll clean up okay..



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