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Unread 03-14-2012, 09:35 AM   #1
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NEEDED: Ignition Switch & Connector Pictures

I'm trying to figure out the year breaks in ignition switches, Connector configurations,

And the same with headlight switches.

If you have pictures of your head light connectors and/or switches,
Please post them up for me,
Tell me if you had TILT WHEEL, makes a difference with the Ignition switches...
And what year the pictures are for.

The Manuals are WRONG! Trying to sort this stuff out by year...

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Also, if you have found the 'Correct' repair connector for ANY of the switches or harness connections, also let me know where you found them...

I'm putting together a source list, and this would be VERY helpful!

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Unread 03-14-2012, 01:44 PM   #2
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I'm pretty sure the connectors for the ignition switch were the same between the tilt and non tilt. at least for late model CJ's. Although the switches were backwards.
I got a tilt wheel at home, I'll look it up.



And of course the 79-1/2 headlight switch change.


Since I've only seen one schematic for the 79, one of them has to be wrong. I've used the 80 schematic for the later 79 wiring.
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Unread 03-14-2012, 02:18 PM   #3
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That's part of it, wondered what the difference was...

I have checked EVERYWHERE I can think of for a headlight connector body or pigtail, and there just isn't one to be had...

Looking into doing a Chevy switch though the dash, those connectors are EVERYWHERE...
So are the switches...
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Unread 03-15-2012, 03:38 AM   #4
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I pulled a Chevy Cavalier Switch light switch out and looked similar but looks like it had an extension added on.
Same with my 63 Chevy.

Sorry, didn't get the picture of tilt last night. Got a call and had to go to tax man last night.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 09:07 AM   #5
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I spent most of the day with the accountant yesterday also... Just that time of year.
I'm claiming everything besides toilet paper and dog food!

Apparently, no one has produced these connector bodies since Jeep sold to Chrysler in '86,
Chrysler used up the stock on hand until '89,
Then went with the same switch as the Dodge Dakota for metal dashes.

I'm going to do the same thing I think,
Since the connector bodies are just so hard to find.

Would you pay for a switch that accommodated your factory headlight bezel,
Instead of a generic 'Nut' on the outside holding the head light switch in?

How about a harness with REASONABLE wire sizes and 'Weather Pak' connectors?
Dedicated 'Ground' wires to everything?
NO SPLICES! Actual proper connectors for the stuff that matters?
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Unread 03-15-2012, 10:03 AM   #6
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Yea I would pay if it looked some what oem. You could also include harness, wires connector, relays for headlight conversion.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 10:21 AM   #7
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I would like to figure our a simple adapter that would convert GM steering column light switches with the original wiring harness. Maybe used to OEM hole for fog/driving lights.

I did something like this for a YJ to CJ conversion some time ago but did not see how he finished it.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 10:30 AM   #8
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Headlight relays, driving light relay connections, trail light connections, Weather Pak connectors, wiring sizes that don't dim out the head or tail lights, dedicated ground wires to get rid of all the wiring 'Issues' that is 90% of the complaints,
Places in the harness for electric fans...

Basically upgrading with the 40 years or so of technology that has passed since the last 'Revamp' of the CJ harness...

I'm thinking of having an 'Idiot Proof' add on,
You can run stock headlights,
Or you can upgrade to H4 and relays, depending on what you want to run...

Also got my hands on some water proof relays!
GM used them a BUNCH in Cadillacs and if it's good enough for a CAD then it's good enough for my Jeep!

An H4 headlight option, Trailer connection option, Fan option.
If you want to upgrade or add on later, the plugs/connectors will be an 'Off The Shelf' item and 'Plug & Play', no trying to figure out color codes, splice into wires, ect.
Simply unplug the harness, plug in the adapter, and you are off to the races!

MODULAR HARNESSES are always a good thing!

The ONLY thing I can't upgrade is the 'Bulkhead' connector without a full harness change,
And the dash connections.
The dash cluster and under dash wiring can be cleaned up a TON, but I'm stuck with the factory gauges, switches, lights, ect.

I CAN get a headlight switch/connector that actually works and uses the Jeep bezels that have 'Ignition', 'Lights' 'Wipers' and 'Hazard' bezels, I've figured that one out,
And the headlight switch would have to be changed,
But that's MINOR for someone that doesn't have to battle wiring in total!

Harness runs that DO NOT have exposed wires, everything is sealed up it's own water proof, rub proof casing would be a good thing to have, instead of a bunch of loose wires in a plastic sleeve that might, or might not be protecting anything after 25 or 35 years,
*IF* It's still there, and *IF* it's not cracked or melted...

I could probably go the 'Painless' route, build a harness that is just as inadiquate and generic as the AMC version,
But the upgraded technology is there, Why not use it?
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I would like to figure our a simple adapter that would convert GM steering column light switches with the original wiring harness. Maybe used to OEM hole for fog/driving lights.

I did something like this for a YJ to CJ conversion some time ago but did not see how he finished it.
Send me a diagram of what you are looking for,
What Jeep has, what you are looking for with the changes noted.
With what I'm doing here, that is simply a plug in adapter pigtail to switch to a GM column...

I've pissed away about 3 days on this, found most of the Jeep connectors, with the exception of the head light swtich, and I've run into all those GM column connectors,
Not much to changing them around in the harness for a Jeep/GM swap...

I've spent about $2K in the last two days.... Who knew a simple engine bay rewire of my little Jeep would turn into this!

I have 14 colors of 18 Ga. wire coming,
I have 14 colors of 16 Ga. wire coming,
10 Colors of 12 Ga. wire coming,
4 colors of 10 Ga. wire coming,
2,000 Male 56 connectors,
2,000 Female 56 connectors,
Gobs of ring terminals (Correct internal tooth electrical ring terminals)
Selections or weather pack connectors,
And I plan to use the 'Off The Shelf' trailer harness adapters (Chevy truck when possible) and the same fan connections that the Contour fan uses...

Relays will be GM Weather Pack, off the shelf...

I've located the ONE headlight switch that will work in the CJ dash and it's AVAILABLE connector...

And I've built a 4'x8' assembly table for the wiring...
Still tracking down some wire loom ties with the factory locks so I can put them on at the correct locations...

I have a '79 Jeep, a '73 CJ, but neither are stock, so I may have to get mounting hole locations for those wiring loom holders...
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I have about 2 dozen headlight switches and a dozen dash harnesses from 77-86 CJ's that are damaged/cut. Do you need any switches or connectors?
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Headlight switch from an 82 CJ-7, original owner.


Ignition switch from same vehicle.
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Unread 03-15-2012, 12:26 PM   #12
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Old switches/connectors would be a WELCOME addition,
Everything I have now is in use and I'll have to disassemble my dash board/harness to swipe the ones I need.
Telling length of wires would be good also, so if you have any idea of the year/type of engine the harnesses came from, I would most CERTAINLY like to have those!

THANK YOU!

Would you be interested in helping me test the harness?
Let me know what you think, give feedback on how easy/difficult it is to install, suggestions to make it better or more efficient?

I have a '73 & Early '79,
'80 was an entirely different beast, and if you are up to it, I'll provide you with a harness or harness sections as they come on line, and you can let me know how they work...

'84 to '86 will be a NIGHTMARE with all those vacuum switch connections and all the other crap AMC tried to heap into an already inadequate harness...
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Unread 03-15-2012, 12:36 PM   #13
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Found this on a Chevell Forum





These are from a 69 Chevell. Look frightfully familiar.
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How to convert a YJ column mount Dimmer switch to a CJ



We all love to get rid of the flood dimmer don't we.

Also I just uploaded a 95 YJ FSM electrical manual to my folders under YJ Stuff
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Unread 03-15-2012, 01:36 PM   #15
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Some of the wire samples are here! So are some of the terminals...





From the looks of the invoice, this is about $600 worth...
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