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Unread 09-29-2011, 08:17 PM   #31
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Charlie, did you know your top is for a YJ? There's a difference in the rear liftgate, from CJ's. More ?'s just ask.

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Unread 09-30-2011, 12:40 AM   #32
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Charlie, did you know your top is for a YJ? There's a difference in the rear liftgate, from CJ's. More ?'s just ask.

Bill
Will it fit my CJ? The guy said it would. I read it would too as long as you install it with the rear gate up/closed then the top and then the tire carrier.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 06:33 AM   #33
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No, its not that simple. External or reworked internal latches need to be used on the CJ tailgate, I have a link at home, but I'm at work till 7am tomorrow. If you Google "YJ top on a CJ", several threads will come up, showing what people have done.
Basically, the YJ tailgate holds the lift gate closed. CJ's use seperate latches for each. So with the YJ top, the CJ gate latches would need to latched from inside the tub.

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1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 07:12 AM   #34
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So I got a OEM fan shroud today (It arrived) from my research it seems that might help with my heat issue when idle for long periods of time. Thought I would try that before the aluminum raditor and electric fan. We will see.

Still up in the air on my axles and tub just so much information. I am leaning towards dual walled glass tub and still dana 44 axles (wide track) with ARB Lockers.

The SOA still seems nice with flat wrangler springs. I just don't want the lift so that is holding me back.

Well that is where my head is at for now.
NOS OEM fan shroud or a reproduction to OEM specs? I need a fan shroud myself, I would like OEM and finding that the choices are reporductions from "Crown" and "Omix-Ada".
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Unread 09-30-2011, 08:32 AM   #35
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NOS OEM fan shroud or a reproduction to OEM specs? I need a fan shroud myself, I would like OEM and finding that the choices are reporductions from "Crown" and "Omix-Ada".
I bought the Omix-Ada one on E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

And just installed and tested it. Now the ambient temperature has dropped here but man it made a huge difference stays around 100 degrees at idle in ~55 degrees.

The install went very fast. It mounts to the existing radiator bolts and the Omix-Ada was a perfect fit. Took like 15-30 minutes for the install with power tools. The radiator comes loose when you take out the bolts so here is what I did:

1) Worked the shroud into position, I did not have to remove the fan or radiator for this step, I started putting it in on the drivers side and worked it in I had to rotate the fan with my hand a wee bit, fyi the half circle cut in one of the long edges goes up under the raditor hose.
2) Removed the driver-side lower rad bolt
3) Removed the driver-side top rad bolt
4) Attached the shroud loosely to the driver-side top rad bolt to keep the rad in place
5) Repeated steps 2-4 for the passenger side, this side had a breather tube of some sort attached to it with a clamp so it was a wee bit harder, don't be afraid after you tighten the bolt some to just reach in there and pull that tube out to get it on the outside.
6) Attached the lower bolts on both sides
7) Tightened all bolts

Oh it helps to have a second pair of hands to hold things in place while putting back the top bolts a big thanks to my wife for her help!
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Unread 09-30-2011, 08:34 AM   #36
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You mentioned a glass tub. If you use the YJ hardtop, on a glass tub, with no tailgate opening. And the liftgate is unchanged, the liftgate won't open and may not fit correctly, depending on the design of the tub.

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1979 J20
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1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 08:42 AM   #37
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No, its not that simple. External or reworked internal latches need to be used on the CJ tailgate, I have a link at home, but I'm at work till 7am tomorrow. If you Google "YJ top on a CJ", several threads will come up, showing what people have done.
Basically, the YJ tailgate holds the lift gate closed. CJ's use seperate latches for each. So with the YJ top, the CJ gate latches would need to latched from inside the tub.

Bill
I found little to nothing on this. One article said to close the gate and hatch together and no mod but I would believe you over that. Please give me a link to the mod if you have it.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 08:43 AM   #38
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You mentioned a glass tub. If you use the YJ hardtop, on a glass tub, with no tailgate opening. And the liftgate is unchanged, the liftgate won't open and may not fit correctly, depending on the design of the tub.

Bill
Right now using my existing rusted metal tub.
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Unread 09-30-2011, 10:01 AM   #39
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I bought the Omix-Ada one on E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

And just installed and tested it. Now the ambient temperature has dropped here but man it made a huge difference stays around 100 degrees at idle in ~55 degrees.

The install went very fast. It mounts to the existing radiator bolts and the Omix-Ada was a perfect fit. Took like 15-30 minutes for the install with power tools. The radiator comes loose when you take out the bolts so here is what I did:

1) Worked the shroud into position, I did not have to remove the fan or radiator for this step, I started putting it in on the drivers side and worked it in I had to rotate the fan with my hand a wee bit, fyi the half circle cut in one of the long edges goes up under the raditor hose.
2) Removed the driver-side lower rad bolt
3) Removed the driver-side top rad bolt
4) Attached the shroud loosely to the driver-side top rad bolt to keep the rad in place
5) Repeated steps 2-4 for the passenger side, this side had a breather tube of some sort attached to it with a clamp so it was a wee bit harder, don't be afraid after you tighten the bolt some to just reach in there and pull that tube out to get it on the outside.
6) Attached the lower bolts on both sides
7) Tightened all bolts

Oh it helps to have a second pair of hands to hold things in place while putting back the top bolts a big thanks to my wife for her help!
You seem to have done a lot of research on many topics, any input on the quality of the products produced by "Crown" and "Omix-Ada "?
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You seem to have done a lot of research on many topics, any input on the quality of the products produced by "Crown" and "Omix-Ada "?
Well from a brand name I read more about Omix-Ada out there than Crown (Really haven't read anything on Crown other than at online stores) but then some folks question Omix-Ada quality from my research. The fan shroud was plastic so I figured they both get the same parts from the same Chinese manufacturer (They look identical in the pics) as a lot of other things are and I choose by cheapest price with shipping my research found at the time.

Hope that helps.
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Well from a brand name I read more about Omix-Ada out there than Crown (Really haven't read anything on Crown other than at online stores) but then some folks question Omix-Ada quality from my research. The fan shroud was plastic so I figured they both get the same parts from the same Chinese manufacturer (They look identical in the pics) as a lot of other things are and I choose by cheapest price with shipping my research found at the time.

Hope that helps.
One more piece of information, information is always good. The purchase list is long, if I can avoid send stuff back that is good. I have a bunch of Crown steering parts on the floor of the garage (still in boxes) that I will be opening this weekend (looks like the last race of the year will be rained out this weeken).
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Unread 09-30-2011, 10:32 AM   #42
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One more piece of information, information is always good. The purchase list is long, if I can avoid send stuff back that is good. I have a bunch of Crown steering parts on the floor of the garage (still in boxes) that I will be opening this weekend (looks like the last race of the year will be rained out this weeken).
I really haven't done research on steering yet sorry. But I know this much. You really cannot do too much research before you buy. Thats why I haven't made any major purchases yet. Even though I have put some solid research in on some of my major upgrades time is on my side right now. And any major upgrade/change I only want to do once and have it last the longest it can for that type of upgrade. Also I am kind of a perfectionist and I want it done right. Sometimes that costs me more money and I should and I am learning some give on the perfectionism for a solid solution that costs less because hobby money is hard to come buy these days and this is a new hobby for me and I don't actually need the best of everything to enjoy it. But I cannot wait until I have enough done I feel comfortable taking some vacation time and riding the trails all over the US because this is why I got in the hobby the first place. Sure I want my jeep to look ok but it's more about trail riding for me. And I am sure like in other hobbies I have had mistakes will be made but I really want to keep that to a minimum so research is where it's at IMHO. Also turning a wrench and learning to fab are two other reasons I got into this hobby so rebuilding used stuff is high on my priority list too
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One more piece of information, information is always good. The purchase list is long, if I can avoid send stuff back that is good. I have a bunch of Crown steering parts on the floor of the garage (still in boxes) that I will be opening this weekend (looks like the last race of the year will be rained out this weeken).
BTW let me know how the steering upgrade goes to you have a build thread or a thread on your steering upgrade/replacement?
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Unread 09-30-2011, 11:51 AM   #44
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BTW let me know how the steering upgrade goes to you have a build thread or a thread on your steering upgrade/replacement?
The build thread is here;
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...build-1269301/

the steering upgrade will be posted (maybe sooner than I thought as this weekend was the last in the racing season and it looks like RAIN (70% chance)

I will also have it on my web site
http://www.leverfamilysite.com/1984_Jeep_CJ-7_Root.htm
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I found little to nothing on this. One article said to close the gate and hatch together and no mod but I would believe you over that. Please give me a link to the mod if you have it.
Like I said eariler can't do the link till morning. Try this, YJ+hardtop+on+a+cj .

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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
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