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post #31 of 51 Old 09-13-2011, 05:29 PM Thread Starter
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i live in fort lauderdale. really need a t176 and want a 304 or 360 to replace my iron duke and SR4


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I have a running 258 and Dana 300 if you're interested. I sold the T-176 2 days ago for $300. I just parted out my 80 due to frame rot I found. Wasn't worth fixing and I still have my 83 CJ7. Where are you in Fl?


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post #32 of 51 Old 09-13-2011, 07:44 PM
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A few of us have done and are doing late model Ford 5.0 EFI engines mated to T176 trans and D300 xfer case. No adapters needed, lighter motor than SBC 350 and good power.
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post #33 of 51 Old 09-13-2011, 08:16 PM
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You sir are already enroute to Jeep Hell for even considering a non Jeep/AMC engine. Blasphemous! Save yourself and go buy a 304/360/401,,,,,,NOW!
My '80 CJ-5 came with a GM 151 Iron Duke from the factory... so whats your point?

I'm doing a Ford 351W and T-18 in my '80 CJ-5. Half way through the engine build wish I had done the Chevy 350 due to $$$. But, since the engine and tranny are both built now, I think it will be cool to have something a little different. You don't see many Ford engines in Jeeps and the 302/351s have great aftermarket support though a bit more pricey than Chevy engines.

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post #34 of 51 Old 09-14-2011, 09:04 PM Thread Starter
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Do yourself a favor and go SBC. Yes, you will catch he'll from Jeep purists who think AMC is the only allowed engine in a jeep. Don't get me wrong, my all time favorite car in the world is a 1970 AMC Red/White/Blue Rebel "Machine", but even with that being said, do a small block chevy.
A) AMC used a hodge podge of Chevy and other makers parts in their engines (pistons, rods, etc)
B) your Jeep came factory with a Chevy engine, so putting an AMC engine in it doesn't make it any more "authentic".
C) AMC engines are more expensive to fix than sbc engines if nothing else, because of parts availability & quantity (20 years since the very last AMC v8 was made)
D) small block chevy conversions are the most popular and most supported swaps, so the knowledge base is bigger, the parts availability is greater, and it's cheaper.
E) you can do more with any sbc setup than AMC setup from an engine/tranny standpoint, again, because of popularity of sbcs and parts still supported/available. (350 Chevy is the most produced {i.e. Millions of them are available}, most modified, most supported engine in the history of engines).

I just got done with my engine swap. I ultimately chose a 350 Chevy for those reasons above. It's a lot of work, and I still come here to ask questions about things, but it was well, well worth it.

I'm running a 350, SM465 tranny, Dana 300 setup. FYI, arguably the strongest, most rugged, never in a million years, even if you tried everything you could imagine to break it transmission ever built is the SM465. It was the tranny that was used in the winning world championship off roading competition (who knew such a thing existed?)

If you want an AMC, by all means, do it. It represents a purity thing with Jeeps. However, if you want ease of swap, cheap to fix, and peace of mind knowing that you'll never not find a part to fix your engine at your local auto parts store/mechanic, go with the 350 and never look back. Yes you'll need motor mounts, tranny to transfer case adapter and a transmission mount, but it's still cost effective when you realize the power and strength behind your setup. Going huge tires? Going extreme rock climbing? Punching the accelerator from a stand still "just because"? You'll never in your lifetime blow out your tranny.... Ever. Peace of mind brother, peace of mind.

That's my 2 cents.


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post #36 of 51 Old 09-14-2011, 11:17 PM
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Since all you guys are swapping them out how much for your 151 heads? I'm keeping my Iron Duke but need a new head for it.
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post #37 of 51 Old 09-15-2011, 06:55 AM
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Truckstop, when you figure out what you want to do, give me a call, but you'll probably have to come to Maryland. Why?

Because I have for sale:
1. 350 sbc 4 bolt mains needs rebuilding
2. 350 87 TPI from a trans am complete with wiring harness and computer
3. Aluminum V8 radiator new in box
4. SM465 trans in good shape, with a NP208 you probably don't want
5. 80 AMC 304 complete needs rebuilting, but all extras like starter, alternator, brackets, etc. (complete CJ5)
6. 80 T176 with low miles w/ D300
7. V8 AMC motor mounts
8. V8 AMC raditor and shrould
9. V8 AMC rear drive shaft
10. Plus rear end parts ready to go to the scraper, Dana, 30,44s,60,70u for the price of scrap
11. Dana high pinion rear 60 w/ 5.13 gears ARB, moly axles cut down to 56" and 5x5.5

As you can see I've collected the parts (cars) to go either way you choose, but issue is I don't have the time to disaasemble this stuff and I'm not inclinded to ship it.

So decide what you want to do, plan a weekend and drive to Maryland bring a friend and tools and leave with a complete setup.

Bob 301-706-8852

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Since all you guys are swapping them out how much for your 151 heads? I'm keeping my Iron Duke but need a new head for it.
Sorry, just sold the engine and tranny last week.

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post #39 of 51 Old 09-15-2011, 10:34 AM Thread Starter
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Isnt a sm465 to Long for a cj5...... I think im just boing to go with the t176 Causen then i Wont Need an Adapter.




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Do yourself a favor and go SBC. Yes, you will catch he'll from Jeep purists who think AMC is the only allowed engine in a jeep. Don't get me wrong, my all time favorite car in the world is a 1970 AMC Red/White/Blue Rebel "Machine", but even with that being said, do a small block chevy.
A) AMC used a hodge podge of Chevy and other makers parts in their engines (pistons, rods, etc)
B) your Jeep came factory with a Chevy engine, so putting an AMC engine in it doesn't make it any more "authentic".
C) AMC engines are more expensive to fix than sbc engines if nothing else, because of parts availability & quantity (20 years since the very last AMC v8 was made)
D) small block chevy conversions are the most popular and most supported swaps, so the knowledge base is bigger, the parts availability is greater, and it's cheaper.
E) you can do more with any sbc setup than AMC setup from an engine/tranny standpoint, again, because of popularity of sbcs and parts still supported/available. (350 Chevy is the most produced {i.e. Millions of them are available}, most modified, most supported engine in the history of engines).

I just got done with my engine swap. I ultimately chose a 350 Chevy for those reasons above. It's a lot of work, and I still come here to ask questions about things, but it was well, well worth it.

I'm running a 350, SM465 tranny, Dana 300 setup. FYI, arguably the strongest, most rugged, never in a million years, even if you tried everything you could imagine to break it transmission ever built is the SM465. It was the tranny that was used in the winning world championship off roading competition (who knew such a thing existed?)

If you want an AMC, by all means, do it. It represents a purity thing with Jeeps. However, if you want ease of swap, cheap to fix, and peace of mind knowing that you'll never not find a part to fix your engine at your local auto parts store/mechanic, go with the 350 and never look back. Yes you'll need motor mounts, tranny to transfer case adapter and a transmission mount, but it's still cost effective when you realize the power and strength behind your setup. Going huge tires? Going extreme rock climbing? Punching the accelerator from a stand still "just because"? You'll never in your lifetime blow out your tranny.... Ever. Peace of mind brother, peace of mind.

That's my 2 cents.
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post #40 of 51 Old 09-15-2011, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the offer but think i would spend more money on gas then I would to ship. I'm interested in the v8 radiator and the t176 without the d300 any chance of shipping to zip code 33306 or 33334 can you get me a price to ship both?



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Truckstop, when you figure out what you want to do, give me a call, but you'll probably have to come to Maryland. Why?

Because I have for sale:
1. 350 sbc 4 bolt mains needs rebuilding
2. 350 87 TPI from a trans am complete with wiring harness and computer
3. Aluminum V8 radiator new in box
4. SM465 trans in good shape, with a NP208 you probably don't want
5. 80 AMC 304 complete needs rebuilting, but all extras like starter, alternator, brackets, etc. (complete CJ5)
6. 80 T176 with low miles w/ D300
7. V8 AMC motor mounts
8. V8 AMC raditor and shrould
9. V8 AMC rear drive shaft
10. Plus rear end parts ready to go to the scraper, Dana, 30,44s,60,70u for the price of scrap
11. Dana high pinion rear 60 w/ 5.13 gears ARB, moly axles cut down to 56" and 5x5.5

As you can see I've collected the parts (cars) to go either way you choose, but issue is I don't have the time to disaasemble this stuff and I'm not inclinded to ship it.

So decide what you want to do, plan a weekend and drive to Maryland bring a friend and tools and leave with a complete setup.

Bob 301-706-8852
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Isnt a sm465 to Long for a cj5...... I think im just boing to go with the t176 Causen then i Wont Need an Adapter.
http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/sm465.htm
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http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/t176.htm
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post #42 of 51 Old 09-15-2011, 11:19 AM Thread Starter
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ok so the sm465 is a better transmission but this is a budget build and i don't want to spend $500 on a adapter when the t176 will bolt right to my TC and i just have to redrill my bell housing.

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The CJ5 came with the Buick 225 V6 in the 60's. And the 151 GM Iron Duke 4cyl in the 80's. Anyone who says only AMC engines are allowable in a CJ is sadly naive of Jeep's long history.


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post #44 of 51 Old 09-15-2011, 12:51 PM
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i live in fort lauderdale. really need a t176 and want a 304 or 360 to replace my iron duke and SR4
I have one but a guy is buying it he has till the end of the month to buy it but shipping from tx would not be cheap

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post #45 of 51 Old 09-15-2011, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
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Ok well.can you.PM me.with a quote for shipping.and how much.you want
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