May be old news. V10 CJ - Page 2

YJteen · 11-19-2009, 09:35 PM

Only 500 hp??? They spent all that cash and didnt turbo it? i would never want to go more than maybe 80 but still whats another 3 grand to make it likr 700 hp??

redbird2289 · 11-19-2009, 09:55 PM

hey now, that hood scoop was the expensive part! You cant get stuff like that at AutoZone!!

CJman77 · 11-19-2009, 11:24 PM

I would trade my 350 hp chevy 350 anyday for that!

**Cutlass327** · 11-20-2009, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by IDK

Some may disagree but V8 power is unbeatable, all V10's and V12's are mainly Just a V8 block with smaller cylinders, they sound big and bad because of their name but aren't really that different. Imagine a V10 of V12 with the same cylinder size as a V8, the nose of the car would probably stick out ten feet! But it would be powerful. V8s are the way to go, the most powerful internal combustion motor ever made, period.

But V8s don't come 500hp stock naturally aspirated. Plus the more cyl, the smoother they run and less strain on each part (lighter pistons flying around) to get the higher hp. This is why the supercars like Lambos, Ferrari, etc all have the small displacement V8s and such that are the same displacement as our V6's have.

crcj7 · 11-20-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cutlass327

But V8s don't come 500hp stock naturally aspirated. Plus the more cyl, the smoother they run and less strain on each part (lighter pistons flying around) to get the higher hp. This is why the supercars like Lambos, Ferrari, etc all have the small displacement V8s and such that are the same displacement as our V6's have.

um yea they do ... how bout a zr1 cts v and the new ss camaro(STOCK SUPER CHARGED.BUT LOW BOOST) and shelby cobra mustang (newones) for starters . most of the srt line are near there too i think as well as the svo.(ford) line. a good amount of the suppppper cars are farily high displacement around 6.o the strong suite of those motors are supper tight tollarence high revs. and balanced for low vibration . i have a 354 hemi at 637 hp. naturally aspirated as well as a 68 dart wrhp 521 . and soon to be a big block 396 71 camaro. hopefuly around the 500 mark .. how bout the zz572 crate motor . or the gm 502 502. viper is deff not small displacement

**PavementPounder** · 11-20-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crcj7

um yea they do ... how bout a zr1 cts v and the new ss camaro(STOCK SUPER CHARGED.BUT LOW BOOST) and shelby cobra mustang (newones) for starters .

That's not what the words "naturally aspirated" mean.

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Originally Posted by crcj7

most of the srt line are near there too i think as well as the svo.(ford) line. a good amount of the suppppper cars are farily high displacement around 6.o the strong suite of those motors are supper tight tollarence high revs. and balanced for low vibration .

6 liters is not "high displacement". Do the math to convert that to cubic inches. Cutlass is correct. GM needed a supercharger on the ZR-1 and CTS-V in order to beat the foreign carmakers that were already exceeding 500hp out of motors that were the same displacement they were using, and they only beat them by around 40hp or so - a gain that will most likely be lost within 1, maybe two model years with tweaking. The CTS-V's overall performance will most likely be eclipsed in the same timeframe due to it already being hundreds of pounds heavier than other cars of similar configurations.

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Originally Posted by crcj7

i have a 354 hemi at 637 hp. naturally aspirated as well as a 68 dart wrhp 521 . and soon to be a big block 396 71 camaro. hopefuly around the 500 mark .. how bout the zz572 crate motor . or the gm 502 502. viper is deff not small displacement

All non-stock and non-production line examples which are irrelevant to the point.

I own 3 vehicles that have more than 8 cylinders, both naturally and artificially aspirated - one of which is rated at 495hp and 610ft/lbs at only 5.5 liters stock. Until you own one, you won't understand the advantages they have over V8's. Chrysler made an immensely successful decision with developing the V10 for the Viper and GM kicks themselves in the balls just trying to keep up with it every year. They are sleeving and artificially aspirating engines that have fewer mains by design when Chrysler isn't even really "trying" yet since they have so much real estate to work with.

IDK · 11-20-2009, 06:37 PM

Like I said some may disagree with me but I'm a V8 purist, they were and still are the number one name in performance, racing and hot rods period. Someday a V8 is going to end up in my Jeep too.

**foggybottombob** · 11-20-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by IDK

Some may disagree but V8 power is unbeatable, all V10's and V12's are mainly Just a V8 block with smaller cylinders, they sound big and bad because of their name but aren't really that different. Imagine a V10 of V12 with the same cylinder size as a V8, the nose of the car would probably stick out ten feet! But it would be powerful. V8s are the way to go, the most powerful internal combustion motor ever made, period.

I don't think so on the V8's. How about a Merlin.
http://www.aviation-history.com/engines/merlin.htm

redbird2289 · 11-20-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by foggybottombob

I don't think so on the V8's. How about a Merlin.
Rolls-Royce Merlin Engine - Great Britain

thats just bein a smart *** haha. but ya gotta admit a v10 v12 in a jeep would be bad ***! im still excited about the possibility over putting a diesel in my cj!

crcj7 · 11-21-2009, 04:13 PM

i put the lsx ref. in there for the 500hp sock part and the zz502 is a gm parts production motor . okay zr1 dose out proform the viper. cts v out proformed the M5. and relative to the new gen motors 6.0ish is pretty up there its not bigblock days anymore ...i have driven one i went to aggressive driveing school and we drove vipers there cool and sound good and stuff but for the same amount of money i can run a viper in to the ground with a v8. what i realy started to comment on this for is do you think if i swap a dana 35 and ax5 in to my cj with that viper motor i would be ok on the rocks...

**PavementPounder** · 11-21-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crcj7

i put the lsx ref. in there for the 500hp sock part and the zz502 is a gm parts production motor.

I don't know what the "sock" part is, but one of them is not naturally aspirated and the other can't be found in any car you can buy at the dealer. That's what "production" refers to. You are not comparing apples to apples.

crcj7 · 11-22-2009, 03:54 PM

i thought when you said a production motor you ment one in production and sold to the public . i know that some cadi s came with the 502 ill have to look to see what it was rated at .

redbird2289 · 11-22-2009, 04:12 PM

what about that vortec 8100 gm had. we had one in a 2500 Suburban and it was a beast.

**PavementPounder** · 11-22-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by crcj7

i thought when you said a production motor you ment one in production and sold to the public . i know that some cadi s came with the 502 ill have to look to see what it was rated at .

I know that's what you thought. That's just not what "production" means in the industry. Crate motors are aftermarket. You can't buy a production vehicle with one.

Caddys did not come with a crate 502, nor was it a Chevy of any kind. It was a 500 rated at 400hp & 510 ft/lbs (IIRC).

crcj7 · 11-23-2009, 11:13 AM

caddys did come with a 500 . not a crate it came in the car stock. ive taken one out and put it in a vega just cause it was siting around . i think your over thinking production. production in general vs. stock autmotive production. i may be mistaken but i do think there was a 502 moddle maby earily 70s.