manual hubs, need help, lots of it

[Blackjackbender]

well i was adjusting my track bar, and noticed my rotor/hub had some play in it, pulled the caliper off. i removed the cover for the manual hubs/engament knob w/e you want to call it. removed the snap ring. i have the hub tool but not sure where exactly it hooks up and dont want to strip anything. This is the first time ive ever delt with hubs am sure i can handle it with a little guidance, trying to get it working to get me to school tommrow. There a decent amount of play so im assuming its bearings because its obviously not ball joints. This is a high pinion Dana 44. its on a TJ but i thought since its manual hubs itd be better to post it here. here are some pictures of what im dealing with.




thanks for the help, hoping to get this done tonight with less then two runs to napa or the dreaded murrays.
Ty

[ScottJ]

Those pics are the locking hub itself.

Thread a couple of screws from the cover back into it and pull it out to see where you use the hub tool with the 4 tabs.

[Blackjackbender]

thread the small bolts back in to push the manual back off?

the allen head ones?

thanks for the quick response

Ty

[ScottJ]

Yeah, the allen ones.

Judging by the rust I see you might want to spritz some PB Blaster in there before attempting to pull.

When you reassemble put some petroleum jelly on the o-ring for the covers to cut down water intrusion.

[Blackjackbender]

yeah im trying to get them off, no dice yet, im using a dinky allen wrench though may go buy one that accept a ratchet wrench, not poping off yet. sort of being a ***** right now. 5 hours left to get this done some how

Ty

[ScottJ]

Woah! What are you doing with the allen wrench?

There's nothing to unscrew.

What you need to do is take two of those screws and HAND thread them into two of those small holes (opposite each other like the ones around three and nine o'clock). Then PULL outward on the screws (toward you if facing the hub like you are in the pics).

The entire locking assembly will come out.

[Blackjackbender]

god damn it im an idiot

[ScottJ]

This might help you. With your D44 you have internal mount locking hubs. It's the left diagram on this page:
http://www.warn.com/truck/hubs/hub_service_parts.shtml

Your pics show the front of the hub body and that's what you have to pull free to get to the bearing locknuts.

[Blackjackbender]

i tried to pull them out and they dont want to come out at all, and correct i do have the internal style. should of taken it to the shop but i guess i have to learn at one point or another. have tried PB blaster with no luck yet. just yank them towards me correct? not moving at all. feals like theres something preventing it from moving towards me much at all. anything i could not be seeing and not taking off on accident, thanks Ty

[ScottJ]

If you're tugging and they're not moving then they're probably pretty rusted (and they do look it). Probably let the Blaster soak awhile.

Might also try some light tapping with a hammer on the outer part of the hub there and maybe (VERY LIGHTLY) the end of the axle itself. That's the small, splined shaft in the center with the dimple.

[Blackjackbender]

will try that,

there only a year old i was suprised how rusty they where. damn michigan winter.

[Blackjackbender]

hsve been trying at that for 30 minutes or so, not budging at all, there has to be something im not doing, not removing, or such, theres no way it could be siezed on there. any other ways of doing this?

[MikeP928]

Spray them good and let them soak overnight. Tomorrow, get a small slidehammer that matches the threads and try to gently bump them out. Some longer bolts and a puller might move it, but it may also pull the threads out. If you have never worked on corroded equipment before, take it to someone who has. This is going to get slightly expensive anyway, because I'll bet the bearings and races are shot. The trick is to keep the damage done getting it apart to a minimum.

They look like you have been driving them on the beach here in FL. It looks like they were warmed up nicely and then run off into some cold water.A vacuum forms and they fill up with water.

MikeP

[Blackjackbender]

got them out, stupid me forgot to remove the outter snap ring.

if theres play in the axle shafts that means bad bearings right? theres a decent amount of movment in the shaft still, dont want to rip it down any farther then i have to. thanks

Ty

[ScottJ]

Snap ring just hit me as I was logging back in.

Should be some in-out movement on the shaft. Not much though.

Bad wheel bearings would allow slop of the brake disc.

Judging by the amount of rust I suggest you take it all the way down and repack the bearings with grease at least. You'll need two wheel seals from the parts store (one per side).