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Unread 09-26-2011, 03:35 PM   #1
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looking to buy 1969 cj 5

I am thinking about buying a 1969 cj5. The jeep runs and drives pretty good very little rust. My main question is on the standard transmission. On the test drive with the jeep rolling I could not get it to go in to first gear it would just grind. Is first gear un-synchronized? The second question is about the price the guy was asking $3200 for it. I don't feel that it was to high for a 42 year old jeep. I kinda got the vibe that he would possibly take less for it.
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Unread 09-26-2011, 04:25 PM   #2
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something that old, if it was in mint show room shape. i would not pay over $500. now alot of people going argue and call me vile name but thing about it $3200 you could buy one as new as 86, and not have to worry about parts, 4 clyinders, frame brakes, drums on front. short hood.
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Unread 09-26-2011, 04:36 PM   #3
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something that old, if it was in mint show room shape. i would not pay over $500. now alot of people going argue and call me vile name but thing about it $3200 you could buy one as new as 86, and not have to worry about parts, 4 clyinders, frame brakes, drums on front. short hood.
So you wouldn't even get a jeep from WWII just because it's too old?
If I saw a older jeep in perfect shape for under a grand I'd snap it up.
Unless I am delusional the 2.5 is a 4 cylinder if I recall correctly.
I'd love to have a short hood jeep.

Do you have any pictures of it?
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Unread 09-26-2011, 05:09 PM   #4
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something that old, if it was in mint show room shape. i would not pay over $500. now alot of people going argue and call me vile name but thing about it $3200 you could buy one as new as 86, and not have to worry about parts, 4 clyinders, frame brakes, drums on front. short hood.
Ignore this.


If you had pics it would be helpful.
The stock trans (with a V6) is a T14, which is fully synchro'ed
Some of the early jeep 3 speeds were not synchro'ed on 1st gear, it may have had a swap done at some point. Or the trans may be junk.
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Unread 09-26-2011, 06:17 PM   #5
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Ill post some pics tomorrow. I briefly looked at it today and a short test run. So far all I know is its a 69 with a 4 banger.
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Unread 09-26-2011, 06:24 PM   #6
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If the Jeep has the T-90 four banger trans, yes, it has a non synchro first gear.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 12:54 PM   #7
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Unread 09-27-2011, 01:45 PM   #8
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Not to bad looking. I would check out the frame and "under-body" pretty good though. Dont really know what the prices are down there in Texas, but for the condition that it appears to be in from the pics, I would probably expect around the 2000 - 2500 price range. 3200 is a little high in my opinion, but to each their own. Considering that you have work ahead of you just to get it "road worthy". Good luck.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 02:40 PM   #9
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...now alot of people going argue and call me vile name...
If you didn't say such dumb, dippy things, people wouldn't call you on it.


MGDWJ, if it runs decent, and it doesn't have a massive amount of problems, you're going to pay what the market dictates in your area, unless you have a guy or gal desperate to sell. I bought mine for $1500, but it had issues, which didn't matter to me, since I'm tearing it down to restore it. I don't know that I would offer the asking price, but the pictures look nice. I'd try to offer $500-700 less.
Make sure you take a look behind those diamond plate corners; mine had them, and they were hiding a rear end collision on the passenger side.

Let us know if you get it.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 03:51 PM   #10
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FLynes unfortunately almost everyone in this area drives and wheels a jeep or some other type 44 so the market is a little higher.
I did look in the rear wheel wells and I could not see any signs of damage to the corners. The tub under the rear seat looked good as well. It also has a new fuel tank (under the driver seat). I am amusing that is the stock location.
I was wanting to offer him 2200 or work out something in trade.

I really like the old cj-5 and cj-7 but would rather have a flat fender willys anyway.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 04:38 PM   #11
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List to check....
Frame around spring hangers. The rails are prone to cracking.
Steering. The Ross style box and bellcrank are prone to slop.
Knuckles and knuckle bearings. The knuckles go dry and the bearings can wear.
Under body around the mounting points. Prone to cracking as the body shifts.
Bushings. Check all spring and shackles to see if the bushings have gone bad.
Clutch and brake pedals. The pedals and shaft are prone to wear, causing the arms to drag against the body.
All fluids. Viscosity is not so critical, but an empty box could indicate future bearing problems.
E brake. It is mounted on the t case. While not important to many, some states require it in operational condition to get the rig through the DMV.
Charging system.
Compression check.
Wiring. While simple in stock form, most ECJ's have been hacked to the point where major surgery is necessary to got it right.
Wipers.
Fuel tank. The saddle tanks are prone to rust and the upper rear seams have a tendency to split.

None of these problems are deal breakers, however, any issues will cost to repair, an issue you can use when haggling price.
Speaking of price, my experience for my area puts a relatively clean ECJ in the 1.5 to 3K range, with the V6 pulling a bit more.

A couple of things to think about. While the pre 72 CJ's are the best of the bunch (at least to me), They do have some drawbacks. They are relatively slow, have poor steering, barely servicable brakes, and are crude in the comfort area. Most of these things can fixed or modified to get the Jeep comfortably safe by today's standards.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 05:57 PM   #12
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Looks like a nice unmolested early CJ. I think the old Kaiser/Willys jeeps have a coolness factor that none of the newer Jeeps can even come close to. About 50mph on the highway is about all you can get out of the little F-head engine, so its not something you want to take on the interstate. They are still a lot of fun on the 2 lane roads and the trails. Parts usually have to be ordered but are still available. I own a 63 Willys CJ5 myself.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 06:56 PM   #13
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I would have to agree that they do have the coolness factor to them. I got to wheel with two 1948 flat fenders on 30" tires last year that had the stock motor and axles and those things where like billy goats. They would walk over almost anything that we came across.
My main plan for it to use it around town and light to moderate trails.
My brother sent me this link today and now I face a difficult decision.
http://odessa.craigslist.org/cto/2611408032.html
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Unread 09-27-2011, 07:19 PM   #14
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I gave $1800 for "Dorothy" 1971 CJ5 w the 225 V6. I Love it. They are a lot more unique than most Jeeps you see. I say go for it.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 07:40 PM   #15
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That 69 looks like it's in pretty decent shape. I'd definitely be interested in it if it was in my area.
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