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Unread 01-30-2012, 06:47 PM   #2101
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Hey it's what happens when you get as old as me.
Hey your not old if I'm not. We still have three years until we reach the peek intelligence age, that is according to a news story I heard tonight.

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Unread 01-30-2012, 08:51 PM   #2102
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Hey your not old if I'm not. We still have three years until we reach the peek intelligence age, that is according to a news story I heard tonight.

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I want in on this my dear Watson!! Share....
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Unread 02-01-2012, 03:29 PM   #2103
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Hey your not old if I'm not. We still have three years until we reach the peek intelligence age, that is according to a news story I heard tonight.

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This is interesting.

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I want in on this my dear Watson!! Share....
See Scott there is hope for us after all.
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Unread 02-01-2012, 03:46 PM   #2104
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Well now the frame is bare. I have a few things to do on it before any finish work is done so to make it easier to get to from all sides I rigged up a rotisserie. I used my engine stand on one end and my home made shoplift on the other. It works prett good too. I need to finish welding the rear crossmember in and while I'm at it I'm going to drill the frame for the YJ spring shackle hangers because at some point I'm sure I'll be putting a set of those on.

I also want to input from you all. I have intended to take all of the paint off and have the frame galvanized so I thought I'd try some aircraft stripper on a small place and see how much work that's going to be, I'd use the stripper first then sandblast. Well I found out this is some pretty tough paint. In using a putty knife to remove the stripper and paint I scratched around and found this paint is pretty durable. I had the frame blasted and painted a few years back but it's been inside the shop since. Well I'm thinking of saving some money and time and cleaning the frame up and spray it again with some epoxy primer then put a good quality frame paint on it. What do you guys think?





The shoplift is on wheels too anb also adjustable up and down.


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Unread 02-01-2012, 05:24 PM   #2105
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I wouldn't want to strip and blast again.
I think it will be fine to use some self etching primer on the spots that you added and welded to and then scuff, prime, and re shoot the frame bright Pink!
But, If you feel you Really need the galvanizing, Then I wouldn't bother with the stripper. I would drop it off somewhere and pay to have it re blasted. Especially with your back!
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Unread 02-01-2012, 05:38 PM   #2106
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Primer and pant on the outside frame is easy to keep up with but Galvanizing will help the inside of the frame
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Unread 02-01-2012, 07:49 PM   #2107
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I wouldn't want to strip and blast again.
I think it will be fine to use some self etching primer on the spots that you added and welded to and then scuff, prime, and re shoot the frame
I'd agree (not on the color) especially since it was stores inside.
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Unread 02-01-2012, 11:12 PM   #2108
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Jim, I'm not sure what your intentions are when your done (I know....it's NEVER really done...) building your jeep, but if you're going to go into situations where the inside of the frame is going to end up with mud and debris in it quite often, then perhaps galvanizing is worth it.

If you DO decide to have it dipped, I'd take bbc's advice and have it sandblasted. Actually, I thought that I read once, that places that galvanize can dip the frame into a tank and strip the frame clean (but I'm not absolutely positive on that). It'd be a good question to ask the potential galv. shop before you pay to have it sandblasted.

If you're not going to get crap inside the frame, or, if you can hose it out after an offroad trip, then a good paint job with some sort of internal frame coating would probably suffice. Eastwood has a few choices on that.

When I restored my frame, I cut away two small areas of the front crossmember to leave access openings into the frame, and bolted on the rear crossmember to be able to remove it and have access to the rear openings of the frame. This will (hopefully) allow me to hose out any gobs of stuff that might get in the frame.

I used boiled linseed oil inside my frame, after painting the outside. I used Eastwoods 3-step frame coating on the outside, but your idea of epoxy primer and a good quality paint sounds good.

The boiled linseed oil is great stuff, as far as durability goes, but getting it all around the inside of the frame was the hardest part of my frame restoration! And VERY messy!

Very long story, there. I won't bore you with the details. I finally got it, though! After all I went through, I wouldn't recommend that.

For most of us who are restoring our jeeps, much of the "damage" ( rust, rot, etc.) was caused as a result of the PO's not knowing at the time, what rusting would occur on these jeeps, until it was too late. Plus the fact that we're painting and protecting the surfaces more thoroughly than the factory did. And....we know that we have to maintain the jeep better than the PO's did, especially after all the hard work we've done to them. This should help the jeeps last a pretty long time.

Just my $.02.

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Unread 02-01-2012, 11:20 PM   #2109
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bite the bullet, sandblast and galvanize and then you will never have to worry about it again...
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Unread 02-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #2110
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You asked for it!

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I'm going to get banned for life for this, but I'll just blame it on you!

Some eyecandy of my current build
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And the engine bay after detailing:



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Unread 02-02-2012, 05:05 PM   #2111
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I wouldn't want to strip and blast again.
I think it will be fine to use some self etching primer on the spots that you added and welded to and then scuff, prime, and re shoot the frame bright Pink!
But, If you feel you Really need the galvanizing, Then I wouldn't bother with the stripper. I would drop it off somewhere and pay to have it re blasted. Especially with your back!
Your choice, Brother.
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Primer and pant on the outside frame is easy to keep up with but Galvanizing will help the inside of the frame
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I'd agree (not on the color) especially since it was stores inside.
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Jim, I'm not sure what your intentions are when your done (I know....it's NEVER really done...) building your jeep, but if you're going to go into situations where the inside of the frame is going to end up with mud and debris in it quite often, then perhaps galvanizing is worth it.

If you DO decide to have it dipped, I'd take bbc's advice and have it sandblasted. Actually, I thought that I read once, that places that galvanize can dip the frame into a tank and strip the frame clean (but I'm not absolutely positive on that). It'd be a good question to ask the potential galv. shop before you pay to have it sandblasted.

If you're not going to get crap inside the frame, or, if you can hose it out after an offroad trip, then a good paint job with some sort of internal frame coating would probably suffice. Eastwood has a few choices on that.

When I restored my frame, I cut away two small areas of the front crossmember to leave access openings into the frame, and bolted on the rear crossmember to be able to remove it and have access to the rear openings of the frame. This will (hopefully) allow me to hose out any gobs of stuff that might get in the frame.

I used boiled linseed oil inside my frame, after painting the outside. I used Eastwoods 3-step frame coating on the outside, but your idea of epoxy primer and a good quality paint sounds good.

The boiled linseed oil is great stuff, as far as durability goes, but getting it all around the inside of the frame was the hardest part of my frame restoration! And VERY messy!

Very long story, there. I won't bore you with the details. I finally got it, though! After all I went through, I wouldn't recommend that.

For most of us who are restoring our jeeps, much of the "damage" ( rust, rot, etc.) was caused as a result of the PO's not knowing at the time, what rusting would occur on these jeeps, until it was too late. Plus the fact that we're painting and protecting the surfaces more thoroughly than the factory did. And....we know that we have to maintain the jeep better than the PO's did, especially after all the hard work we've done to them. This should help the jeeps last a pretty long time.

Just my $.02.

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bite the bullet, sandblast and galvanize and then you will never have to worry about it again...
Thanks for the help guys. I do see some rust that's formed on the outside even though it's been inside all this time, not much but it'll keep coming unless it's got the air cut off to it. I'm leaning towards the galvanizing.

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Jim,
I'm going to get banned for life for this, but I'll just blame it on you!
Thanks for posting those pictures Eric. Even though it's not a Jeep it's still interesting and shows some great work on your part, which is top notch!!

It sure brings back some great memories too. I had a 71 Scout back about 1980. Put a Ford 390 in it with a C6 tranny and did a spring over with 36" tires. Back then those were considered big tires. Had allot of fun with it.
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Unread 02-02-2012, 08:34 PM   #2112
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I know it's going to be pricey but I'd say go with the galvanizing, you can't get penetration into all the nooks and crannies with paint as well as you would with the dip in the pool.
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Unread 02-03-2012, 04:02 PM   #2113
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I agree with Rich about the galvanizing process. I thought they had to clean the frame first, some kind of stripper, that removes everything?? That would be my route if, I had the dough. That was your original plan, and I know you're tired of working on it, but you will be pleased if you continue with your FIRST plan. We all change up, however, and it's no big deal if you do. At the very least, I would HAVE IT SANDBLASTED, prime and paint again. You are too precise, too accurate in your work, to take a shortcut now. Everything on your Jeep will be quality, new, and strong. As a last remark... there is no time limit on your build. You don't HAVE to have this done by such-and-such date. Do it when it fits.
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Unread 02-03-2012, 04:22 PM   #2114
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I know it's going to be pricey but I'd say go with the galvanizing, you can't get penetration into all the nooks and crannies with paint as well as you would with the dip in the pool.
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I agree with Rich about the galvanizing process. I thought they had to clean the frame first, some kind of stripper, that removes everything?? That would be my route if, I had the dough. That was your original plan, and I know you're tired of working on it, but you will be pleased if you continue with your FIRST plan. We all change up, however, and it's no big deal if you do. At the very least, I would HAVE IT SANDBLASTED, prime and paint again. You are too precise, too accurate in your work, to take a shortcut now. Everything on your Jeep will be quality, new, and strong. As a last remark... there is no time limit on your build. You don't HAVE to have this done by such-and-such date. Do it when it fits.
You guys bring up good points. That's why I asked.

This may suprise you all to know that it's going to cost $150.00 to have it galvanized. I have had several of my projects for my regular customers galvanized and have already spoken to the owner about getting the frame done. They first dip the frame in an hot acid bath, 800 degrees, and that cleans the metal and opens op the pores in it allowing for a better bond. Then it's dipped in the liquid zinc tank for the galvanizing. Their minimum is 500lbs. and that cost $150.00 so the frame is less than 500 lbs.
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Unread 02-03-2012, 04:27 PM   #2115
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You guys bring up good points. That's why I asked.

This may suprise you all to know that it's going to cost $150.00 to have it galvanized. I have had several of my projects for my regular customers galvanized and have already spoken to the owner about getting the frame done. They first dip the frame in an hot acid bath, 800 degrees, and that cleans the metal and opens op the pores in it allowing for a better bond. Then it's dipped in the liquid zinc tank for the galvanizing. Their minimum is 500lbs. and that cost $150.00 so the frame is less than 500 lbs.
Does that mean that it removes the paint too, or do you have to clean it first? If you don't have to strip it yourself, then to me it's a no-brainer. Attach everything you can to your frame and get it all galvanized.
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