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post #16 of Old 11-24-2013, 06:06 PM
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I'm with Shawn, I wish I'd done a cleaner job, but what the heck, it works...

Like I said, there is a stud on the bottom of your battery tray, for the support arm, and it works fine for the ground stud if you want to hide it... Can't say it's fun to get at, but it's cleaner...

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I added a dedicated ground cable a few months ago on my Jeep. I had a length of #8 cable and a bunch of #10, so all I had to buy was a few copper lugs. Here's an edited excerpt from my build thread:

The ground wire that was connected to the sending unit on my fuel tank was pretty corroded and barely connected to the bumper. I'm thinking this is why the sending unit was burned up when I bought the Jeep...



Since the gas tank is out of the Jeep now it seemed like a good time to install the dedicated ground wire from the front end to the rear. I'll want a good ground before I put the gas tank back in with the new sending unit anyway. I ran a #8 copper wire from the rear crossmember to the front passenger side motor mount, bolting each end down with a copper lug and plenty of never seize.



From the rear lug I also ran two #10 wires, one as a daisy chain for the tail lights (tied in to the body ground at each light) and one for the fuel tank sending unit. Since I have a 20 gallon poly tank this is the only possible ground connection the tank will have. At the front of the Jeep I passed the cable through the ground lug and up to the battery. There I crimped a large ring terminal that I could screw down on the battery post. Never seize went on all the connections. All ring terminals were crimped, soldered, and heat shrunk.


I also had the bright idea (we'll find out the next time I have to pull the tank how bright it was) to put some clips on the inside of the rear bumper to keep the wiring in place.




If you look at the wiring on the right side of the photo you can see where I bolted the copper lug to the crossmember.


2013/10/09


I also elected to replace the body ground strap to the battery. The old one was the flat braided style. It was very green and tattered. Since I have a marine starting battery I've got the screw terminals as well as the traditional posts. All of the grounds that I've added got screwed down on this screw top instead of the large terminal post. The body ground strap that I replaced was done after the other ground wires so it is a second ring terminal under the nut.

All of the exposed electrical connections got never seize on them to keep them covered.

Lastly, I made another ground cable up from the #10 wire to go from the body ground bolt through the firewall to the dash. The dash side is connected to one of the four mounting studs on the speedometer assembly. Sometimes when I work on the dash instruments I unbolt it from the body to get more access to stuff, and I'm likely to forget at first that the gauges need to be grounded if I turn power on. This way it will still be grounded and I won't accidentally burn anything up.

I don't have photos of everything, but I hope the above helps in some way (I did things a bit differently than Aaron or Shawn though, so I also hope I didn't add confusion instead of clarity).

Good luck,
Dave

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post #19 of Old 11-25-2013, 02:20 AM
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Actually, if the ground goes bad on the gas tank, nothing will happen. The gauge will just not work.

If you loose the ground to the dash, then the regulator stops regulating and then you can burn up the gauge or the sending unit.

I was unaware that never seize had dielectric properties to it. What happens when it washes off?

I think the best way to keep a good ground is to use dielectric grease with a toothed washer with internal teeth.
As for exposed copper, there is just not any way to protect it. But I'll try the never seize and see if it works
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I use Nooxid grease on all my terminals. Since its conductive you can't just jam it in a connector. But, its great on ground and battery connections.

This picture is of one of my truck battery's. Its at least 3yrs old.

The grease also seems to resist engine bay washing. I've not had to go over any connections. I've been using it for at least 15years now. Ever since I volunteered to work a Saturday doing manhole inspections and redoing all the corona grounds. They always had a few feet of water and that ground bar was at the bottom.
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I don't believe never seize has dielectric properties. It does have aluminum and copper powder in it. I use it on battery and ground connections. It doesn't wash off easily, quite the opposite. If I had a bottle of no ox I'd probably switch to that. I do have a tube of dielectric grease that I use in connectors, spark plug boots, etc.

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I use 'Never-Seize' to PROMOTE connections.
Grease keeps corrosion out, Copper promotes connection.
Can't use it on multipul wire connectors since it would short out between terminals, but it works good on 'Ground' and single pole (Starter Relay, Starter Terminal, ect.) Positive Connections.

If it's a multi path connector, then I use plain dielectric grease. No short out, and a pretty good level of protection.

When I use bare copper connections, I find that spray on battery terminal protector stays in place pretty good and adds some protection to the copper.

Bare Copper ANYTHING is just asking for problems. If you can see copper that is untreated, it's just waiting to suck up corrosion causing contaminants...
Grease it up, seal it up, treat it, but don't leave it bare.

I try to 'Tin' wire ends... I don't like 'Crimp' terminals since they leave that copper waiting to corrode with no protection.
Solder and tin the exposed wire, then use heat shrink if at all possible, and if not, dielectric grease or spray protection...
I just hate seeing bare copper ANYWHERE...
But I do live in the 'Rust Belt' and they do spend millions spreading salt, calcium chloride and who knows what all over the roads here...

Aircraft guys all whine "We don't solder connections"...
Can't remember the last time I saw an aircraft dragging it's wiring though slush that has so much salt in it it's making white foam...
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Actually, if the ground goes bad on the gas tank, nothing will happen. The gauge will just not work.

If you loose the ground to the dash, then the regulator stops regulating and then you can burn up the gauge or the sending unit.
Thanks for the reminder John, no ground at the tank = no signal (but also no burning). Also, I did put a dedicated ground to the speedometer housing to help with the gauge grounding.

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