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Unread 12-28-2013, 09:14 AM   #16
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I hope the same goes here, that's one of the most frustrating things I've dealt with it seems like.

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Unread 12-28-2013, 04:40 PM   #17
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So I thought putting a new one in and still occasionally having the same issue meant something else was wrong. Maybe just go somewhere else for a new starter?
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Unread 12-28-2013, 04:48 PM   #18
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So I thought putting a new one in and still occasionally having the same issue meant something else was wrong....
Normally that's a very valid conclusion. In this case, however, having seen starters not fully engaging on the test bench after just a couple of months, I came to the conclusion that the AZ starters for Jeep 6 have a problem.

It's been nearly a year since I put high end one in, without any more problems.
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Unread 01-04-2014, 05:17 PM   #19
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Well drove the jeep today and after going out and coming back it wouldn't start. Fires up no problem when cold but warmed up starts the same grinding noise again. Crap. About 15-20 starts without issue now back to where I started.
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Unread 01-05-2014, 12:35 AM   #20
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Well drove the jeep today and after going out and coming back it wouldn't start. Fires up no problem when cold but warmed up starts the same grinding noise again. Crap. About 15-20 starts without issue now back to where I started.
I know you said it wasnt the ignition... But have you tried starting it by putting jumper cable on starter solenoid? Try that to see if it still gives same issue. If it goes away, its ignition. If not suspect flywheel
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Unread 01-05-2014, 05:58 AM   #21
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I know you said it wasnt the ignition... But have you tried starting it by putting jumper cable on starter solenoid? Try that to see if it still gives same issue. If it goes away, its ignition. If not suspect flywheel
I think what billybooster2 is suggesting is that there is a problem with the starter relay (not the solenoid) circuit. This could happen the connection drops in and out once the starter has begun to engage. This relay (and associated wiring) is on the firewall just above the starter. Trace the small wired from the solenoid back to find it. There are snap on connectors, make sure they are clean. If you can't find the correct relay, it would be possible to wire in a generic SPST relay to do the job.

I replaced mine but the guy at AZ had a really hard time finding a listing, wound up looking under Dodge truck (though I don't know where he finally found it and don't remember what it was called).
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Unread 01-05-2014, 03:29 PM   #22
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Copy that. Will attempt to find the relay and might just go ahead and replace the solenoid also. Unfortunately it's 10 degrees out so might have to wait until later this week. Still seems crazy that it would work perfect for a couple weeks then just crap out like that.
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Unread 01-05-2014, 05:28 PM   #23
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I think what billybooster2 is suggesting is that there is a problem with the starter relay (not the solenoid) circuit. This could happen the connection drops in and out once the starter has begun to engage. This relay (and associated wiring) is on the firewall just above the starter. Trace the small wired from the solenoid back to find it. There are snap on connectors, make sure they are clean. If you can't find the correct relay, it would be possible to wire in a generic SPST relay to do the job.

I replaced mine but the guy at AZ had a really hard time finding a listing, wound up looking under Dodge truck (though I don't know where he finally found it and don't remember what it was called).
I have not seen the relay you speak of on any of the '76 to '86 CJ's I've had.
The OP has a '77, I do believe YJ's have a relay , but not 100% on that.
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Unread 01-05-2014, 06:01 PM   #24
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Yeah, the relay thing threw me off too, Bill.



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Unread 01-05-2014, 10:22 PM   #25
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Thought I was learning something. No relay on mine. We throwing relays on every circuit now?
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Unread 01-05-2014, 10:28 PM   #26
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I have not seen the relay you speak of on any of the '76 to '86 CJ's I've had. The OP has a '77, I do believe YJ's have a relay , but not 100% on that.
I was thinking yhst the key cylinder/ under dash ignition was loose and continuing to engage the starter

No relay there either??? Confused bout that too. I still think shorting the starer solenoid might eliminate or prove my theory
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Unread 01-05-2014, 11:42 PM   #27
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Ok so starter works great for a couple weeks. Then out of no where starts to grind. The flywheel is fly like a circus trapeze
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Unread 01-05-2014, 11:51 PM   #28
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Ok so my fiance thought it would be funny to post on my account. I think the flywheel is fine or it would have messed up constantly. Has to be something electrical or starter related. Thinking about buying a green macine and hoping to the jeep gods it works!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unread 01-05-2014, 11:52 PM   #29
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Unread 01-06-2014, 09:49 AM   #30
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Ok so my fiance thought it would be funny to post on my account. I think the flywheel is fine or it would have messed up constantly. Has to be something electrical or starter related. Thinking about buying a green macine and hoping to the jeep gods it works!!!!!!!!!!!!
Completely unnecessary. Try starting it without key cylinder use. Just try.
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