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Unread 01-27-2013, 04:47 AM   #1
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Info about my CJ7

I'm trying to figure out if anyone can tell me what I have underneath my CJ. I've worked under the hood and got everything running good and now considering upgrades/restoration to the bottom but I don't know what's stock or what the PO has done. Hope the pictures help, I know they're not that great. But maybe you see something you recognize..ie- axles, lift, shocks, etc. Thank you





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Unread 01-27-2013, 05:10 AM   #2
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AMC20 rear, D30 front

Suspension looks stock, saggy and you have some major oil leaks from the engine, gearbox and transfer. Your pinion seals (both) are stuffed and your power steering pump leaks but the box seems ok.
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Unread 01-27-2013, 05:36 AM   #3
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Yep, stock axles, and worn out suspension.

Your spare tire stop is also backwards.

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Unread 01-27-2013, 06:57 AM   #4
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AMC20 rear, D30 front

Suspension looks stock, saggy and you have some major oil leaks from the engine, gearbox and transfer. Your pinion seals (both) are stuffed and your power steering pump leaks but the box seems ok.
Thanks for the response,

If the suspension is stock, would that support 35's? Right now I have 33's but I figured there was some kind of lift considering the 35's that were originally on there didn't come close to rubbing/scrubbing. It looks like there may have been a one inch body lift.

Would a stock suspension replacement provide more lift since mine is "sagging"? If so, how much do you think? I'd like to get a couple more inches. I know there are various types of lifts, my choices are narrowing down to either SOA(which I have researched and understand the potential problems, costs, etc... but I like the look), body lift, or suspension lift once I can afford it.

Yes, oil is leaking bad. It sat for 8 years without even being cranked. I replaced fuel lines, cleaned tank, and it started right up. I've since done a basic tune-up, put a Weber carb and I did fix power steering leak which turned out being the pressure hose. Replaced both hoses and everything seems to work fine now with power steering.

One mechanic told me my rear seals are old and that's where one leak is coming from. I don't know if that's a task I can take on myself, but I'm considering it once I figure out what changes,if any, have been made from stock components before I start buying parts.

There seems to be a bad leak coming from the oil gauge sending unit(don't know if that's the right term from that piece) but I have the part and will replace it.

I do know the motor is a rebuilt from an '84 CJ(mine is '85, but you probably already knew that). I'll also start on the pinion seals, too.

Would it help to post any more pics from different angles? Also, how do I tell what kind of distributor I have? PO did make mods, I just don't know what all he did and don't have a way to contact him.

My father bought this JEEP in '86 from just one PO, took decent care of it but did no mods, and after 26 years he passed it down to me.

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Unread 01-27-2013, 07:08 AM   #5
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Yep, stock axles, and worn out suspension.

Your spare tire stop is also backwards.

Matt
What's your opinion on suspension replacement? Would stock provide more lift or go with an upgraded kit? I only want 2-4 more inches. Should I consider different axles(I put 2 inch wheel spacers on and don't want to add stress to these old axles). Also, this thing sat for 8 years straight without being cranked once. Can you give me a brief list of things I must check before I drive it any more? Like bearings, gaskets, etc...

Please read my reply to previous poster above for my ideas on suspension.

That's funny about the tire stop, never even noticed and this Jeep has been in my family for 26 years.... I'll have to figure out which way it goes. I've considered taking the whole spare tire thing off so that I can see if my four wheeler can fit in the rear of the Jeep by taking the back seat out.

Thanks for the quick response
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Unread 01-27-2013, 07:36 AM   #6
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Don,

There is a buttload of info, here, about size of tires versus height of lifts. Bottom line is, 35" tires require at least 4-5" of lift over stock. That can be accomplished with lift springs, body lifts, or longer shackles. Or a combo of all of those things. Any lift over 2-3" will require modifications to steering and driveline components, as well as other issues. Again, there is a ton of info to be found on this, with a few searches.

BTW, I will almost guarantee your existing 33"s will rub if you flex your suspension out, like the pics below. This is a 2.5" lift with 32"s.

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Unread 01-27-2013, 08:15 AM   #7
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These are a couple of my other toys that I pull with my Jeep. Obviously I need to move the axle forward as you can see there's too much tongue weight. Also, is this the rear stock bumper and hitch for the '85? My concern is pulling a heavy load and I want to make sure I'm safe, as well as my 4 wheelers. All bolts on bumper are rusted, but it still seems pretty sturdy. Should I replace the bolts, or bumper, etc?

Picture of what looks like a rubber body lift, or that may be stock... I don't know.

Pic of engine compartment. I know, the valve cover leaks and I need to figure out vacuum lines, everyone seems to have a different idea so I don't know what to do about that.

Pic of transfer case. Stock?
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Unread 01-27-2013, 08:32 AM   #8
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Your bumper looks homemade, definitely not factory. Looks like factory 1/2" rubber body mounts. Your engine has an aftermarket carb and breather, the computer has been "Nuttered", and most of the emissions systems have been stripped. D300 t-case.

I'm sure you are aware that a CJ is a poor towing rig with it's short, narrow stance. I believe its towing capacity is rated for only 2000#

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Unread 01-27-2013, 08:37 AM   #9
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Don,

There is a buttload of info, here, about size of tires versus height of lifts. Bottom line is, 35" tires require at least 4-5" of lift over stock. That can be accomplished with lift springs, body lifts, or longer shackles. Or a combo of all of those things. Any lift over 2-3" will require modifications to steering and driveline components, as well as other issues. Again, there is a ton of info to be found on this, with a few searches.

BTW, I will almost guarantee your existing 33"s will rub if you flex your suspension out, like the pics below. This is a 2.5" lift with 32"s.

Matt
Thanks Matt,

Ok, I see how I could rub but I don't do a lot of climbing or anything that flexes the wheels like that. I use my 4 wheelers for that because I'm afraid I might break something on the Jeep until I get everything restored/repaired. When I go four wheeling with the Jeep it's usually through the river and sand, and there's not a lot of rock climbing, etc. My favorite thing to do is drive through the river. Here's a couple pictures of my Pathfinder and the river we play in. I can't wait to take the Jeep down through the river for some pics but the water is too high right now.
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Unread 01-27-2013, 08:53 AM   #10
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Dude, please don't take that nice CJ surviver in the river!!

These things will rust sitting in a dry garage. Why promote that by senselessly driving it in deep water?

But, it's your rig, and you clearly need to learn more about it. I hope it survives your learning curve.

Good luck

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Unread 01-27-2013, 08:55 AM   #11
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Your bumper looks homemade, definitely not factory. Looks like factory 1/2" rubber body mounts. Your engine has an aftermarket carb and breather, the computer has been "Nuttered", and most of the emissions systems have been stripped. D300 t-case.

I'm sure you are aware that a CJ is a poor towing rig with it's short, narrow stance. I believe its towing capacity is rated for only 2000#

Matt
Yeah I installed the Weber 32/36 carb which was a huge improvement over the old Carter. I also did the Nutter bypass, but disconnected the wires because it threw my timing off really bad and I believe affected my carb(burning to rich?) because my exhaust manifold would turn orange/red after a few minutes running. I'm not sure about timing along with carb adjustment. I wouldn't know how to tell which needs adjusting so I'll have to take it to a mechanic.

You're right, the CJ is not the best at towing but all I tow are my 4 wheelers, I don't think it could handle any more than that right now.
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Unread 01-27-2013, 09:17 AM   #12
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Dude, please don't take that nice CJ surviver in the river!!

These things will rust sitting in a dry garage. Why promote that by senselessly driving it in deep water?

But, it's your rig, and you clearly need to learn more about it. I hope it survives your learning curve.

Good luck

Matt
HaHa, premature rusting perhaps but "senselessly" driving in deep water? I'm not promoting anything and it makes sense to me. Water vs mud/rock crawling/climbing, 4 wheeling, etc.... all do wear and tear which is why most of us have Jeeps, in my opinion, however I wouldn't call someone senseless if they choose to rock climb, or whatever, which potentially can do serious damage. We've been riding this CJ since 1986 through this river and the body(as far as rust) and everything else has held up quite well, considering. Of course there's the normal wear and tear over the years, but this Jeep has given many years of satisfaction to many of us.

Thanks for your help and info, and to each their own. In 26 years, the only problem we've had with this jeep is the clutch went out and the problems now(which are normal wear and tear, and having sat for 8 years)

Nice Jeep, by the way.
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Unread 01-27-2013, 11:51 AM   #13
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I haven't much to say but that is a very nice looking jeep! The decals look new, yeah?

Put wheels big enough to keep that looking as great as it does now
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Unread 01-27-2013, 02:10 PM   #14
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Great looking jeep. I second all what the others have said. I noticed that your sway bar bushings are pretty bad and it looks like its time for some new tie rod ends. I'd make sure all the steering joints, ends, and bushings are all good. That's one of the first things you need to be looking at, especially if you're currently driving it. The one tie rod end looks pretty bad.
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Unread 01-27-2013, 10:16 PM   #15
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you can read my build thread but basically the taller you go the more $$$ you'll spend. Bigger tires mean aftermarket gears, shocks, steering linkage mods, pitman arms etc etc etc. Trust me if you want a mild build stay on the closer side to stock(say 33's). You start getting into some pretty costly stuff once you get into the 35 and over category.
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