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Web Wheeler
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: South West Indiana
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I-6 'TeamRush Upgrade' (definitive)
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REMEMBER, Information gathered for free on the internet is worth EXACTLY what you paid for it! ----------------- I used to be 'TeamRush', but I'm much better with medication.... Last edited by JeepHammer; 06-02-2010 at 08:11 PM.. |
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Web Wheeler
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: South West Indiana
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Now, lets talk about the cap material it's self... Black distributor caps usually use 'Carbon Black' (Carbon Black = Soot from industrial manufacture, power generation, ect. Common coloring agent for automotive parts like plastic interior parts and tires, distributor caps, ect.) To color the plastic. CARBON IS A CONDUCTOR OF ELECTRICITY! The cap is actually permuting the cross fires and ground fire problems! If the cap is slick/shiny BLACK plastic, then look for dull, gray 'Carbon Tracks' inside the cap... They will look like pencil marks or cob webs, just barely visible. If you find them, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! The NEXT problem with factory distributor caps is, They have ALUMINUM TERMINALS. Aluminum is a fair conductor of electricity, BUT, When there is a ARC, like when the spark energy JUMPS THE GAP BETWEEN ROTOR AND PLUG TERMINAL, IT burns the aluminum into a 'Crust'... That 'Crust' is Aluminum Oxide, and Aluminum Oxide is NOT CONDUCIVE! I know this IS NOT a 'Black' cap, but it's a 'Premium' cap with pretty good internal ribbing to block cross fires, BUT, IT HAS ALUMINUM TERMINALS, and at 3 months old, this Jeep already had a SERIOUS miss fire/cross fire problem! ![]() SO, With every firing of the ignition, it's building an ELECTRICAL INSULATOR SHELL over the terminal it's suppose to be firing, BUT, The SIDES of the terminal in front, and behind of the proper terminal are exposed conductors! SO, The spark Energy just jumps to the easier conductor terminal, and it's not the PROPER terminal. Aluminum terminals get 'BURROWED' into when the arc strike, so you can't just sand away the surface oxides, since the arc burned a 'Worm Hole' in the terminal... Brass terminals build up carbon deposits, but you can scrape them with a light sanding, and go right on using the same distributor cap for YEARS! ............... The other aspect we need to address is IONIZED AIR. You CAN NOT have an arc without ionizing the air in the gap between both terminals. This isn't a problem in the cylinders, since the 'Ozone' or Ionized air exits with the exhaust, BUT, In a distributor cap, the Ionized air builds up... And makes it possible for an electrical discharge to jump anywhere it is drawn... See, if the cap is fully ionized, the normal rules don't apply the way you think they should... Fully ionized, the electrons are free to go any direction the ionized air is drifting... So the spark might turn 90°, make and 'S' bend, then jump to the shaft, housing, wrong plug terminal, ect. If the cap has conductive carbon black in it, the problem is COMPOUNDED. By using a COLORED cap (no carbon) and BRASS TERMINALS, And spreading the terminals and ground access to the distributor housing farther apart, we are GREATLY increasing the chances the spark energy will go to the correct spark plug terminal! ADDING a bunch of extra air volume inside the distributor cap makes it MUCH HARDER for ALL the air to get ionized, AND The taller Ford rotor is actually DESIGNED TO STIR UP THE AIR inside the cap to keep the Ion trails broken up! Take a CLOSE LOOK at this rotor... You will see the "Carbon Tracking" where the spark energy was coming in through the center coil wires terminal, and jumping directly AWAY from the rotor nose and DIRECTLY AWAY from the terminal it was supposed to be firing! ![]() If you look at the rotor 'Nose' you will see the cheap material it's made of has Oxidized so badly the spark energy would rather go out the BACK SIDE than go to the terminal it was intended for! And remember, this is a 3 month old 'Premium' cap and rotor, with store brand 'Premium' plug wires!... (All ignition components ARE NOT created equal, no matter how shiny the box or how much advertising they do!) ----------------------------------------------------- This is a TRUE UPGRADE. There is NO DOWN SIDE to this, so it's an UPGRADE for the Jeep. Simple tune up parts, off the shelf at any auto parts store... Advance Auto, Cap Adapter, $6.49, p/n C 193 AP Premium Distributor Cap, $31.98, p/n C193 Premium Rotor, $4.49, p/n D219 Auto Zone Cap Adapter, $4.99, p/n F960 Distributor Cap, $20.99, p/n F2104G Rotor, $3.99, p/n F953 OR, From an '82 Ford F-150 Pickup with 300 CID I-6 Engine, Distributor Cap Adapter, Distributor Cap, Rotor, *IF* Factory Coil, Plug Wires, Autolite brand p/n 96171. *IF* E-core coil, Plug Wires from 94 Jeep with 4.0L engine Autolite brand p/n 96624. Both will fit PERFECTLY!
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REMEMBER, Information gathered for free on the internet is worth EXACTLY what you paid for it! ----------------- I used to be 'TeamRush', but I'm much better with medication.... Last edited by JeepHammer; 03-11-2009 at 01:31 AM.. |
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Web Wheeler
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: South West Indiana
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MSD ignition IS NOT the TeamRush Upgrade. CDI modules (of which MSD is one of the best makers) complement the TeamRush Upgrade, but the two are NOT the same thing. To use a CDI module correctly, you SHOULD do the TeamRush Upgrade FIRST! ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------- The 'TeamRush Upgrade' fixes the problems with the distributor cap, rotor and plug wires so you can get the Spark Energy to the plugs. CDI ignition modules (like MSD) make the coil put out 500% to 1,000% MORE spark energy. If you use a CDI ignition module, (in place of the factory ignition module, which is a 'Weakling' compared to the CDI modules...) Instead of 12 volts or less getting to the ignition coil, The CDI module will feed it 400 to 600 volts! Instant increase of 500% to 1,000% in coil output energies! The CDI ignitions are VERY EASY to install, and with some simple adapters and connectors, they are virtually a drop in install. ------------------------------------------------------ First Off, Lets cover the 'Off Road' modules. The 'Off Road' module is sealed up, Potted in epoxy, so once you own one, you are stuck with it no matter what happens. MSD has an EXCELLENT warranty program, and still warranties modules that have been out there for 25 years, BUT, The 'OFF ROAD' module is NON-SERVICEABLE! http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D6470&N=700+ 4294925127+115&autoview=sku ![]() Unless you plan to dunk it under water regularly or mount it somewhere STUPID, they just aren't worth the money for the average user. ----------------------------- With a 258 I-6 engine, you probably don't have enough cam left to over-rev the engine... So a rev limiter isn't an issue like it would be with a Fresh V-8... So, if you are set on MSD, I'd say this is your best bang for the buck... http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D6200&N=700+ 115&autoview=sku ![]() If you are not married to the MSD name, THIS is the best bang for the buck... http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D850602&N=70 0+4294925143+115&autoview=sku ![]() ---------------------------------------------- Either way, this is what you need to make a really painless connection of the 'Power Up' wire, http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=SUM%2D850520&autoview=sku ![]() When you unplug your stock module (under the windshield washer tank), you plug this into the wires from the harness, And it makes your install 'Seamless' with no wire cutting... (don't forget to tape over the DuraSpark module 2 wire plug!) ------------------------------------------------ Use this connector from Auto Zone to hook the MSD up to your stock ignition coil (just unplug the factory harness connector, and plug this right on the factory coil) Autozone p/n 252. ![]() DO NOT forget to tape over your factory harness coil connector! ------------------------------------------------- Use the Motorcraft/MSD adapter to switch distributor wiring from Motorcraft plug to MSD plug... (Disconnect the harness, and tape over the harness plug) http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8869&N=700+ 115&autoview=sku ![]() This is what it looks like plugged into the distributor. Notice the harness plug to the left that needs to be taped over? ![]() ----------------------------------------------------- Here is your wiring diagram if you use the common MSD or the Summit versions since they use the same plugs for everything... ![]() ------------------------------------- LEAVE THE FACTORY IGNITION WIRING IN PLACE! If you need a back up ignition for any reason, you can take the tape off the module harness plug, the distributor harness plug and the harness coil connector, Plug them back in and you have a complete back up ignition! Trail or daily driver redundancy is a GOOD thing! -------------------------------------- Pick a spot the CDI module is NOT going to get wet! I mount them under my dash most of the time so they don't get rained on. (and in your case, don't get salt water on them) The is an "Extension" for the sensitive distributor trigger wires, MSD p/n 8862 http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MSD%2D8862&N=700+ 115&autoview=sku ![]() Keep this wire away from the coil or power wires! ------------------------------
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: South West Indiana
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MODERATOR!
PLEASE MAKE THIS A 'STICKY' OR A 'TECH' ARTICLE SO WE CAN JUST LINK TO IT WHEN SOMEONE ASKS ABOUT THE 'TEAM RUSH' UPGRADE! Saving space for the 'Computer' distributor advance problem..
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REMEMBER, Information gathered for free on the internet is worth EXACTLY what you paid for it! ----------------- I used to be 'TeamRush', but I'm much better with medication.... Last edited by JeepHammer; 01-12-2009 at 02:49 AM.. |
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Web Wheeler
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: South West Indiana
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Saving Space.
Stealth HEI conversion.
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REMEMBER, Information gathered for free on the internet is worth EXACTLY what you paid for it! ----------------- I used to be 'TeamRush', but I'm much better with medication.... |
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Wow, that was awesome...
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Web Wheeler
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: South West Indiana
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This has all been covered in bits and pieces, I'm just trying to consolidate it for a 'Definitive' reference for the future.
There are WAY too many 'Have TeamRush/TFI upgrade questions' and *IF* They take an hour to read all this, they won't have ANY questions about anything, And maybe take away some information that they didn't have before! Educated consumer is a force to be reckoned with!
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REMEMBER, Information gathered for free on the internet is worth EXACTLY what you paid for it! ----------------- I used to be 'TeamRush', but I'm much better with medication.... |
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Wow thanks hammer, this is excellent and is an unbelievable resource to have. Thanks again!
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1979 CJ-7, 258 I-6, TeamRush Upgrade, TH400, Dana 30 Front, AMC 20 Rear, 3.54 gear ratio, 3 in. Black Diamond suspension lift, 31x10.50x15 |
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Dayton, Ohio
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The Champion
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Cobleskill, NY
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Nice write-up Jeephammer, I think I will look at the Summit CDI box this year
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Bill H. - 1984 CJ-7 258 W/ Weber DGV 32-36, T5, Twin Stick Dana 300, Custom SOA, Dana 30/AMC 20 Locked 4.56's, 33" Swamper LTB's, York OBA, Custom bumpers, Homemade Swaybar Disconnects, Nutter Bypass, Team Rush http://www.schohariecountyjeepclub.com http://upstateoffroad.com |
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Delaware
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I know that this is posted as an I-6 upgrade, but could you also include the part numbers for the V8 upgrade (Cap, Adapter, & Rotor). Those numbers are sometimes hard to find.
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1983 Jeep CJ-7, AMC 360 swap, TF999, AMC 20 w/ 4.10s Mosers & Detroit, Dana 30 4.10s Open. 4" BDS with 1" Daystar BL & 1" Shackle lift. 35x12.50x15 General Grabber M/T. Corner & Rocker protection by Sniper Fab, with Bumpers by GroundPounder Fab. |
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dang...wish I had it all in front of me like this last summer...would've cut my project time in half! Awesome write up!
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: North Fort Myers
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Jeep Hammer this pic was done before I Teamrushed my I6 followed your website info to the word and it took 30 min...I rep ( my job) Bostik sealants who owns the real Never SEEZE..so I used that as well as an extra ground off the Ign Module....My question is where 1 cylinder is located....almost 180 out...the PO recently installed a new Long Block and moved the Dist......It runs great where it is...Your thoughts and Thank You again for all your help and knowledge that is very simple to understand....
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: south carolina
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coil
well, i just got back from the local parts house with my new dist cap, rotor, plugs and adapter. i was wondering what coil if any to upgrade to... they have 3 msd coils. a blaster 2, blaster 3 and an e-coil msd coil!!! whats the best or should i stick with my stock coil for now???by the way great write up. thanks for putting it all in 1 place. please sticky this!!!
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: massachusettes
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just 2 weekends ago we team-rushed our scrambler. We threw out the crappy prestolite system, installed a motorcraft distributor, and did the team rush, WOW, the FEEP (Jeep with ford parts) no longer hesistates, stalls, or studders! What a fabulous upgrade!! it took a week or so, reading the forum at night and reading all the different variations to figure out the correct parts and how-to...eventually figured it out...but what a GREAT write-up! Thank JeepHammer for your dedication to other fellow Jeepers!
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