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Unread 03-03-2013, 04:02 PM   #16
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Another thing to remember, yes you can use blocks, but that reduces your wire length. My luck I'd have a huge tree 4' from where my snatch block and tree strap would reach.. I'd rather have the option of a single line if at all possible.

Like I said, I like overkill

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Unread 03-03-2013, 05:00 PM   #17
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Quality and safety are not cheap, especially when they are made by an American. I wil always sway torward the American made product simply because my customers do the same with the products I make.

It is just an opinion.
Let me put it this way, if harbor freight winches were $ 800 Id buy a $1600 ramsey.

If I could get a 12000lb or even 11000 warn, that isnt their most generic line that actually has design improvments over others, for $500 Id get it instead of the Harbor Freight for $300.

But I cant, yeah Id like too, but I cant. Ive worked in many factories all over the country, im a driver now and I make a lil more, but do you realize how long it would take to save 1600 when you only take home 350. After rent, gas, utilities, and food your left with 50 bucks if you pinch every penny. Thats almost 8 months. That aint gonna happen for something only used when you (or others)screw up.

Basically I could buy a winch, and detroit locker, and more lift, and install it myself for less than itd take to buy that winch.

And Id go farther and use it less because my jeep is more capable, therefor not needing a diamond crystal winch. Just because we wheel and have jeeps, doesnt mean were rich, or even not poor. I spend all my money on vehicles because thats all I care about. No smart phone, no new car, no cable, I dont even drink because of the cost. Ive never paid more than 20 bucks to have a car worked on.

Sometimes I get top shelf stuff, when it counts. But a winch isnt one of them. I dont care who made it, hell I wish the chinese would sell me the parts for 1/2 off then I assemble it and put american dollars back in my pocket.
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Unread 03-03-2013, 05:10 PM   #18
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Another thing to remember, yes you can use blocks, but that reduces your wire length. My luck I'd have a huge tree 4' from where my snatch block and tree strap would reach.. I'd rather have the option of a single line if at all possible.

Like I said, I like overkill
I dont have a block, I want one, but dont need one. So far in 4 years Ive made over 150 pull(a guesstimate) and have never been in a situation where I needed one. One day Ill get 3 or 5 of em and pull myself backwards 10 inches like the rigging guys brag about.

But look up the foers ibex vector winching system If I spent money on a winch system itd be like those. 3 words- Cable car mode!!!
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Unread 03-03-2013, 05:14 PM   #19
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Let me put it this way, if harbor freight winches were $ 800 Id buy a $1600 ramsey.

If I could get a 12000lb or even 11000 warn, that isnt their most generic line that actually has design improvments over others, for $500 Id get it instead of the Harbor Freight for $300.

But I cant, yeah Id like too, but I cant. Ive worked in many factories all over the country, im a driver now and I make a lil more, but do you realize how long it would take to save 1600 when you only take home 350. After rent, gas, utilities, and food your left with 50 bucks if you pinch every penny. Thats almost 8 months. That aint gonna happen for something only used when you (or others)screw up.

Basically I could buy a winch, and detroit locker, and more lift, and install it myself for less than itd take to buy that winch.

And Id go farther and use it less because my jeep is more capable, therefor not needing a diamond crystal winch. Just because we wheel and have jeeps, doesnt mean were rich, or even not poor. I spend all my money on vehicles because thats all I care about. No smart phone, no new car, no cable, I dont even drink because of the cost. Ive never paid more than 20 bucks to have a car worked on.

Sometimes I get top shelf stuff, when it counts. But a winch isnt one of them. I dont care who made it, hell I wish the chinese would sell me the parts for 1/2 off then I assemble it and put american dollars back in my pocket.
I've wheeled with a couple of guys that had HF winches. They both said the same thing, they have worked fine so far, but they are slow.
If you are stuck, slow doesn't matter.
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Unread 03-03-2013, 05:20 PM   #20
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I've wheeled with a couple of guys that had HF winches. They both said the same thing, they have worked fine so far, but they are slow.
If you are stuck, slow doesn't matter.
I actually wasnt gonna buy one, because I heard they were junk, then I got rescued by one after 2 cherokees couldnt do it. That was in 2010 and he said he bought it in 05. So i gave it a shot. I had the older style 8000, bought it for 250 never has a problem, I left it on a bronco I traded to sweetent the deal. Then I got the newer style 12k. Its stronger for sure but I like the old style a lil better, the control box was sturdier. But it does the job even after being dunked in the muddy water.
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Unread 03-03-2013, 05:59 PM   #21
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I have a 10, 000lb engo. Its mostly mud where I am. It has no problem getting my yj out when the mud is a little over the front bumper.

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Unread 03-03-2013, 07:34 PM   #22
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Unread 03-04-2013, 12:37 AM   #23
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I don't know how many times we have to tell the idiots who recommend the harbor freight crap, there is a reason they are so cheap and have a free replacement warranty. They FAIL. They fail when you need them most. Don't skimp on a winch or cage. they will both save your life.
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Unread 03-04-2013, 05:55 AM   #24
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I have to agree with 82.

If I were the OP, I'd be saving for something like this, instead of the cheap crap.

As I stated, I still haven't seen anyone post a pic of a 30+ year old HF winch that still works and looks like new. I think there's probably a reason for that.....

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Unread 03-04-2013, 07:03 AM   #25
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I would also agree with 82, and Matt1981.

OP , depending on the situations and mud you get into, and based on the chart that Centerfire posted,, I'd be looking at a 12k winch minimum.
Another post above stated your Jeep weighs probably 3 tons, I would have to say that's a little high. One of our club members has a TJ with body armor (3/16"), Dana 60's front and rear, a 5" thick bed size tool box,full of recovery gear and tools, HUMVEE rims , and weighs 4,800 pounds with a 200 pound driver.

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I would guess that jeep comes in in a maybe 3 tons.
I highly doubt it's that heavy. It doesn't even have heavier, upgraded axles. Probably closer to the 4000-4500 pound range on the high side.
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Unread 03-04-2013, 08:41 AM   #27
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I highly doubt it's that heavy. It doesn't even have heavier, upgraded axles. Probably closer to the 4000-4500 pound range on the high side.
I said maybe that weight just lookong at the 44s and the rear platform. especially if you add in the thousand guns that thing holds instead of a windshield.
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Unread 03-05-2013, 02:26 PM   #28
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Wow thanks guys great information. OK so I am staying at a min 12K.

Now the ? is of the winches mentioned above. Which one will hold up the best in sandy, muddy, very wet South Florida. Wet is the main issue. While it wont be submerged very often it will stay wet.
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